My Music Row Story: SESAC’s Lydia Schultz Cahill

Lydia Schultz Cahill

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Lydia Schultz Cahill is Senior Director of Creative Services at SESAC PRO, where she oversees the country genre in Nashville. She supports songwriter and publisher affiliates, recruits new talent and collaborates with artists like Blanco Brown, Jon Nite, Allison Veltz Cruz, Dillon Carmichael and Jenny Tolman. Cahill also produces SESAC-sponsored events, including Tin Pan South, SESAC Presents at the Bluebird and songwriter showcases across the Southeast.

Before joining SESAC in 2016, Cahill was Creative Director at Magic Mustang Music, where she worked with acclaimed songwriters Steve Bogard, Kristian Bush, Rob Hatch and Justin Lantz. She began her career as an assistant to Grammy-winning songwriter JD Souther and later held roles in the Legal and Finance Department at Broken Bow Records. A Wisconsin native, Cahill graduated from Belmont University with a bachelor’s degree in business administration from its Music Business program. In 2024, she completed her master’s degree in social work from the University of Tennessee.

Cahill will be honored as part of MusicRow‘s Rising Women on the Row class of 2025 on March 20 at the Omni Nashville Hotel. Read more about the event here.

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MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up in a town called Wisconsin Dells, Wisconsin. It’s about 45 minutes north of Madison.

Tell me about that. What was childhood like?

People from the Midwest always know it because it’s the water park capital of America. Whenever I say I’m from Wisconsin Dells, people are like, “Oh my gosh, we went on vacation there.” It’s a small town with a beautiful river, known for having tons of water parks. People are always surprised that you can actually live there. It’s a sister city to Gatlinburg—similar, but on a river instead of a mountain.

My mom was in nursing, and my dad is a farmer. I grew up on a farm just outside of town, so my upbringing was more rural.

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How did music come into your life?

My mom’s mom always had music on. She had a radio and later got a CD player. No one in my family was particularly musical—my grandpa played guitar, but it wasn’t a big thing. We sang in church, but mostly it was country music.

We didn’t have many TV channels growing up—we had something called “The Farmer Five,” which was about five channels and none of them were that interesting to me as a kid. So, we just played outside a lot.

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After high school, did you know you wanted to do this?

No. I had a guidance counselor meeting where they asked if I was going to college. I didn’t really have a plan, just figured I’d go because my friends were going. I remember telling my dad, “I think I want to go to college,” and he said, “Does your mom know?” [Laughs] It just wasn’t something we talked about much.

A friend who was a songwriter went to Belmont and told me about the music business major. I was in Wisconsin for two and a half years, just partying and having fun, then transferred to Belmont because I loved music and figured I could get paid to sing songs.

I didn’t know artists like Reba McEntire didn’t write all her songs. I didn’t even know what a songwriter was. Belmont opened my eyes to the industry—publishing, song pluggers, the whole ecosystem supporting creative people.

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Tell me about Belmont.

I went from a public party school to a private liberal arts school, and it was a shock to my system. Wisconsinites just like to have a good time—beer, football—then I came to Belmont, and it was a totally different vibe.

I was a student loan kid, and when I got to Belmont, none of my friends had loans. That was eye-opening. It was an educational experience in every way—catching up academically but also realizing how much was on the line. My parents helped, but I was paying for it, and at one point, my loan doubled in a semester. I had to take it seriously.

Did you intern anywhere?

I did the BMI Catalog Cast internship, where we worked with publishers and learned about song plugging. It was an amazing way to understand publishing and the industry. I remember playing songs for Taylor Lindsey and Sara Knabe.

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I also interned with Kelly King, which was incredible. She included me in everything, and it was inspiring to see her champion artists like Brothers Osborne.

Sounds like you were pretty set on publishing at that point.

Yes! I’ve always loved creativity, and once I realized that the songs I loved weren’t necessarily written by the singers, I became fascinated by songwriters. They were the ones who made these songs happen, the ones who gave me something to connect to as a rural kid.

What happened after graduation?

I wanted to work in publishing so badly. I worked as an assistant to JD Souther for a few months, which was wild. He had high expectations.

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Then I interviewed for a song plugging job at Broken Bow, but Benny Brown noticed on my resume that I had taken copyright law, and made up a job for me in legal and finance instead. I worked in QuickBooks for a while and even wondered if I should be an accountant. Eventually, I moved into a song plugging role and did that for about three years and it was wonderful.

I loved working with songwriters, but I also wanted to engage with other sectors of the industry. When ET Brown at SESAC told me they were expanding the creative department, I jumped at the opportunity. It made so much sense to me—I could still work with songwriters, which is my absolute favorite population, as well as other sectors of the industry.

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When did you start at SESAC?

2016. I started as a country rep, getting familiar with our roster and building relationships. In 2020, I was promoted to senior director, which was a lot of the same work but at a higher level. It was a huge shift, but COVID actually made it more manageable—I could handle everything without constantly being in person. It gave me time to adjust.

What’s your favorite part of what you do now?

The one-on-one time with songwriters. Supporting them, giving them space to reflect—it’s an honor to be someone they trust to bounce ideas off of.

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What is something you’re most proud of?

So much of what I do at SESAC is making sure our songwriters are happy and truly taking care of them. Getting to be a part of their wins has always been really exciting. I’m proud of signing Chris LaCorte and Jon Nite—having people trust you and your company is truly humbling.

Something else I’m proud of is that I got my masters degree in mental health during the pandemic and have been working as a therapist on the side. I’ve really enjoyed getting to be a resource for other people, especially in the music industry.

Who have been your mentors along the way?

With the exception of JD, I have almost always worked for a woman. Kelly King was so amazing. Melissa Kramer at Broken Bow and Juli Griffith at Magic Mustang took great care of me. Shannan Hatch is far too young to be a mother figure to me, but she has nurtured me so much.

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What would you say is the best piece of advice you’ve ever gotten?

Nobody is thinking about you as much as you’re thinking about you. It’s not that people don’t care about you, because people care about you. But you need to do what is best for you.

You will be honored next month at our Rising Women on the Row breakfast. In a few words, can you share about what your experience as a woman in the music industry has been like?

It’s so interesting because the gender disparity became so much more clear after I got married. Watching my husband’s work experience versus my work experience–specifically around finances—is very different. He might ask for something and just get it, whereas I’ve always felt like I needed to make a case for the things that I wanted to have financially.

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In the songwriting community, unfortunately, there are a lot fewer women. I work with so many men, just because there are more of them, so I really make an effort to prioritize working with other women.

What would you say to a college student reading this that wants to do what you do one day?

I would honestly tell her she’ll probably be my boss someday. Young people are so smart, and they have access to so much more information than we ever did. Statistically, I don’t think I should have made it to where I am–to be the first in my family to go to a four-year school and then be as successful as I’ve been. The cards were not in my favor, so I would tell her to work really hard and enjoy it.

My Music Row Story: Red Light Management’s Zach Sutton

Zach Sutton. Photo: Eric Anderson

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

With nearly 15 years in the Nashville music community, Missouri native Zach Sutton of Red Light Management guides the careers of award-winning, multi-Platinum artists Jordan Davis and Riley Green, along with newcomers Preston Cooper, Georgia Webster, Scott Wolverton and Bizzy.

With previous stops at Borman Entertainment and Capitol Records, Sutton is a 2023 and 2024 Billboard Country Power Players artist manager honoree. He serves on ACM Lifting Lives Board of Directors. When not on the road with one of his artists, he is with his wife and two young sons or in the outdoors hunting or fishing.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

Kansas City, Missouri—about 40 minutes east in a more rural area on the Missouri side. My dad was a Christian minister, my mom was a teacher, so a classic preacher-teacher setup.

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Was music always present in your life?

I grew up with two brothers, and we were big into sports and music. With my dad being a minister, music was a huge part of our lives. My mom sang and played piano in church, my dad sang, and they were both big music fans.

I remember getting my first CD as a kid. My dad sat me down and said, “We’re going to read through the liner notes and lyrics to see what the songs are about.” He wanted me to understand what I was listening to. Music was always around, especially at family gatherings. My mom or grandmother would play piano, and we’d sing during the holidays. That early exposure shaped me—I was always drawn to songs and lyrics.

What was that first CD?

Hanson. Middle of Nowhere. Loved it. Then TLC came out, and I remember bringing that home from Kmart. We read through the lyrics, and my dad was like, “Nope, not happening.”

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Did you always know you wanted to work in music, or were you just a fan?

I had no clue what the music business even was. I played baseball in college, transferred schools when we had a coaching change and ended up in Nashville at a small Christian school. I was playing summer baseball in Western Kentucky and had a teammate from Trevecca Nazarene University.

I always loved Nashville, so I thought, What if I went to school there? I could see more concerts. The coach came to watch me play, I got a scholarship, and it worked out. When I got to Nashville, I interned in the marketing department at the school, and that’s when I started hearing people talk about the music business.

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How did you get your foot in the door?

One of the Trevecca staff members’ husbands was a publisher named Jim “Spoon” Williams. I’d pick his brain, just curious about what this business was. At the time, I thought I’d work in marketing—maybe an agency.

That year, the local news did a dumb mini-series on me, following me around in college. Through that, I met Shane Talent, the news anchor, and we hit it off because we both played baseball. He was dating Autumn House, who was at Capitol Records. She became a bit of a mentor, and through her, I got introduced to the music industry.

I was about to take a job with the Nashville Predators in corporate partnerships when Autumn called me and said, “We might have a job at Capitol.” I was pumped—then she said, “It’s in the mailroom.”

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I hesitated because the Preds job was an actual salary, and I was a broke college kid. But she told me, “This is a foot in the door. Jobs here don’t open up often.” So I interviewed, got the job, and it ended up being the best thing ever.

The mailroom was perfect—I had about two hours of actual work and spent the rest of the time learning the business, meeting people, and figuring out how a record label worked. This was when Chief by Eric Church was coming out, “Need You Now” by Lady A was huge and they had just signed Alan Jackson. It was an exciting time.

How did you transition into management?

In the mailroom, I kept hearing about “management”—labels would say, “we need to talk to management,” or “management will handle that.” It got me curious.

In college, someone told me, “I see you in management,” but I had no clue what that meant. They made me write a letter to my favorite artists’ managers. I reached out to John Grady at Borman Entertainment, and to my surprise, he called me back. I asked about an internship, and while nothing came of it then, it planted a seed.

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Fast forward to my time at Capitol—there were rumors of a merger, and I saw the writing on the wall. Around that time, Borman Entertainment needed help. They were managing Keith Urban and Lady A and they brought me on.

I had no idea what I was getting into, but I knew I wanted to be at the center of an artist’s career. Working at Borman was like drinking from a firehose, but I got to learn from the best.

What was that experience like?

It was incredible. The team was full of all-stars, and I got an inside look at how artists operate at the highest level. Keith and Lady A were in their prime, and I was learning from some of the best managers in the business.

Eventually, my mentor, Daniel Miller, left to start Fusion Music. He had no clients at the time, but I believed in his vision and joined him. That gave me the opportunity to sign my own clients.

That’s when I met Jordan Davis. I was at Red Light but didn’t have my own clients yet. Jordan took every meeting in town, but for some reason, he trusted me. I put together a full marketing plan before we even started working together, and I think that helped seal the deal.

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Later, Daniel and I teamed up again to sign Riley Green. Since then, we’ve continued working together—co-managing Riley, and I still manage Jordan solo.

Why do you think you and Jordan clicked?

We spoke the same language—similar age, values and interests. He wasn’t chasing fame; he just wanted to write songs. He originally didn’t even see himself as an artist, but everyone in town kept telling him he had a unique voice. Eventually, he gave in and said, “Screw it, I guess I am.”

I think he saw that I understood him and had a plan for his career. Other managers told him, “I manage so-and-so, and if you’re lucky, I’ll work with you.” I came in and said, “You’re going to be my world. I’m all in.”

Riley’s career is on fire. What did you see in him early on?

Riley was already building a grassroots fanbase when we met him. He’s incredibly strategic, knows how to engage fans and understands business. If he weren’t in music, he’d probably be running his own company.

He kept developing as a songwriter, and now some of his biggest songs are solo writes. It’s been a long game, but everything lined up perfectly for him.

What’s your favorite part of the job?

Watching an artist’s vision come to life. From hearing a song for the first time to watching it become a hit—that’s exciting. Helping them achieve their goals, seeing them grow from clubs to arenas. It’s a lifestyle, not a job.

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How do you sustain yourself in this demanding business?

I have a supportive wife, which makes all the difference. I also have an addictive personality—when I get excited about something, I hyper-focus. This job constantly gives me new things to get excited about, so I never feel stagnant.

What advice would you give someone who wants to be in your shoes?

Have a strategy and be willing to sacrifice. Too many people say they want to be in the music business but won’t take the necessary steps.

Find something you’re good at—whether it’s digital marketing, video editing, or accounting—and use that to add value. It’s not about applying to a job and waiting. The most successful people I know hustled their way in—waiting tables, shooting videos, whatever it took.

Doors won’t always open for you, but you have to keep knocking.

My Music Row Story: Whiskey Jam’s Ward Guenther

Ward Guenther

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Ward Guenther is the Founder of Whiskey Jam, a Nashville-based live music series that has hosted over 1,000 shows and provided a platform for thousands of artists. Since its genesis in January of 2011, Whiskey Jam has become known for its dynamic blend of emerging talent and household names, and is a celebrated staple of Nashville’s vibrant music scene. Guenther is also the host of Country Risers Radio and The Ward Guenther Show on Apple Music. He sits on the ACM Board of Directors.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Memphis, Tennessee. I was born in Mississippi, but moved there when I was two years old, so my upbringing was in Memphis.

What were you into as a kid?

I was just a regular, active kid—riding bikes and playing sports. I didn’t get into music until later in high school, and it just kind of took over from there.

I found a guitar while working at a summer camp in North Carolina. We were getting ready for the campers to come one year, and someone had a guitar just sitting in one of the cabins. I picked it up and started playing with it. At the end of high school and going into college, I got the bug. I did anything I could do to be around it.

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How did you make it to Nashville?

I went to college at UT Knoxville and majored in Advertising, which came in handy later on. I made the move to Nashville to write songs, sing and do the whole thing. I worked in and around the business for quite a while, while doing tons of cover gigs and writer’s nights. I got a job selling t-shirts on the road with Billy Currington for a couple of years. I also had a gig with David Nail, singing backup and playing guitar on radio tours.

Early on, in my first five or six years in Nashville, I saw the whole country either from a tour bus or riding around in a radio rep’s car. I got to see the business from the smallest club in a strip mall in Georgia to arenas with Brad Paisley when we opened for him. It was a great education—seeing where country music can take you and what it actually is when you get there.

How did Whiskey Jam get started?

When I was out with Billy, I realized I could work for someone else doing this, or I could head back home, get a job and try to do my own music. So, that’s what I did. By then, I’d played so many writer’s rounds and got to the point where I thought, “Let’s do something of our own.”

The one thing missing from those experiences was a fun, loose environment. That’s where Whiskey Jam was born. We decided to get our friends together and play songs we’d been working on—sometimes ones we wrote that day. We wanted it to be more full and fun, with a band in a bar and not as subdued as a listening club.

It worked out great. It immediately filled a void in the scene, acting as an intermediary between writer’s rounds and proper showcases. Showcases often felt commercial and staged, like someone was trying to push music on you. With Whiskey Jam, it was a natural setting where we featured artists we knew and liked.

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What do you remember about the very first one?

The first one was at Winner’s and it was incredibly busy. It was before social media was much of a thing. We sent out a message saying, “Come to the first-ever Whiskey Jam.” I texted everyone in my phone book.

The first few Whiskey Jams had a great mix of writers, like me, who didn’t have much going on, and established artists like Chris Young and Love and Theft. It started as a loose jam but quickly became clear that we needed to schedule it like a show. That evolved into what it is now—booking bands, promoting the shows and throwing that same party every couple of days.

Was there ever a time in the beginning when you faced doubts or challenges?

I thought we had something special from the start, but I doubted it myself at times. I kept records of who played when, but three or four months in, I stopped. Looking back, I think I thought, “This is just a fun night. It’s never going to last.” I started keeping record again, though.

I’ve always been Whiskey Jam’s biggest doubter—wondering how long the scene would support what we do or how long people would want to see the same show. But Nashville’s nature brings new people to town all the time. Someone moves here this week, and they might play next week. That’s kept it fresh for hundreds of weeks now.

Many people have either been discovered at Whiskey Jam or made important connections. Who stands out from the early days as someone for whom that happened in a big way?

In the early days, we were still building the mystery of Whiskey Jam, trying to keep it secretive and underground. A lot of artists established the foundation. I started Whiskey Jam with a guy named Josh Hoge, who had a lot of contacts in the pop music world. He brought in The Fray, OneRepublic and some songwriting buddies like David Hodges. That led to Chris DeStefano playing.

They were established, but many went on to become massive songwriters and artists. Members of Lady A would pop in occasionally. Charles Kelley even sat in on drums a few times.

Cole Swindell started playing Whiskey Jam as a songwriter and evolved into a star right before our eyes. Chris Young and Brett Eldredge were in that first “class” of Whiskey Jam graduates. By 2015, Maren Morris played a few times and was off to the races. Luke Combs came through in 2015-2016, Morgan Wallen in 2016-2017 and Lainey Wilson not long after that. Every few years, someone comes through, and it recharges me, the brand and the scene. It reminds people that stars are still emerging out of Nashville. Zach Top is one to watch in the next couple of years. Megan Moroney and Ella Langley are also bubbling up. It just happens naturally as time passes.

I meet a lot of newcomers and some tell me playing Whiskey Jam is one of their goals.

I’m really proud of that. It’s not necessarily a means to an end—it’s not like playing Whiskey Jam will immediately get you a publishing deal—but it’s a great way to showcase your skills in a low-risk setting. If you bomb at Whiskey Jam, it’s not the end of the world. There are artists whose first Whiskey Jam shows weren’t great. Now, looking at where they are, you’d never guess. Everyone has to cut their teeth somewhere.

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When did you start adding people to your team?

In 2015, I took over full-time when Josh Hoge went into songwriting. For a couple of years, I refined things, which was great because I could focus. Around that same time, my wife and I had our twins in 2016. Bartending, running Whiskey Jam and having four kids was overwhelming.

In 2017, my friend Ryan O’Nan came in as a managing partner. He used his business and management experience to help me focus on the creative side, which allowed for much healthier growth. Since then, it’s been mostly Ryan and me running it, with occasional office assistants or coordinators helping with small tasks. We like being hands-on and keeping things in-house, because we know the language, mission and voice better than anyone else.

What has the brand grown into now?

We still do two shows a week—Mondays and Thursdays—but there’s so much more. We have merchandise that ships worldwide. We’ve done pop-up shows on Luke Combs’ stadium tours as a tailgate party and opened for Old Dominion on tour.

We’ve hosted stages at festivals like Voices of America in Ohio. These events amplify Whiskey Jam, showcasing artists we believe in and giving them a bigger platform. Some artists from these shows move on to the main stage the following year. For example, the first tailgate we did with Luke Combs featured Megan Moroney and Bailey Zimmerman, introducing them to a crowd of strangers in Denver. It’s exciting to trust our gut and see these artists take off.

You recently had your 1,000th show celebration. What was that like?

It was crazy. We had a mix of up-and-coming artists and established names. Getting Dierks Bentley to play was a huge deal—he’s supported us for years. It was incredible to watch him play in a small bar and connect with the crowd. Afterward, he texted me, asking when he could do it again.

We’ve done big celebrations, like our 10th anniversary at the Ryman, but this one felt more personal. It was small, acoustic and up close. I think we’ll look back on it as a special night.

In addition to leading Whiskey Jam, you’ve also become a big presence at Apple Music. Tell me about that.

Apple came around in 2019. They were looking at Nashville and vetting people they wanted to work with. I had no idea at the time, but they’d been coming to shows and observing what we do. I think they wanted to involve people deeply ingrained in the culture—real people with authentic experience, not just the most experienced DJs or broadcasters. They wanted someone with Nashville in their blood.

We’re now approaching 1,000 shows there as well. It’s been a great partnership. I meet artists early in their careers—sometimes at their first shows in town—and then see them graduate to being featured on Apple Music playlists or exclusive sessions. My work with Apple validates what we do at Whiskey Jam, and Whiskey Jam gives me credibility with artists. It’s a great synergy.

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Was it a natural fit for you to start doing?

There was definitely a learning curve—being behind a microphone isn’t just about talking. You have to learn how to craft your breaks and present new music in an engaging way.

Apple has been great with coaching and providing resources. Now, it’s second nature to present new music in this format. It’s unique because, unlike traditional radio where you might hear one new song every few hours, we’re introducing multiple new artists in a single show. It’s a dream to have a worldwide platform to spotlight artists like Laci Kaye Booth and say, “Look at this artist for one second. Listen to this and tell me it’s not amazing.” Apple gives us the freedom to truly play what we believe in, which is revolutionary in the radio world.

What’s a typical week like for you with everything you have going on?

It’s pretty routine most of the time, but it can get crazy. For instance, we once had a weekend with Old Dominion while also being on the road with Luke Combs, running a festival in Ohio, and hosting a show in Nashville—all in the same week.

Usually, I take my kids to school in the morning, then head to the office to handle Whiskey Jam tasks like merchandise and orders. In the early afternoon, I go to Apple for my show. Twice a week, I host the live Whiskey Jam events. Balancing it all has been a process, but I think I’ve found a good rhythm. My priorities are providing for my kids while being present at their baseball games and gymnastics practices.

Who have been some of your mentors?

That’s an area where I wish I’d done better. I’ve learned a lot from bar owners like Jason Sheer from Tin Roof and Steve Ford at Winners and Losers. They taught me how bars operate and how much bigger their world is outside of our little event.

For what we specifically do, it’s been a lot of trial and error—figuring it out as we go. When we hit 1,000 shows, I looked at what else in Nashville had lasted this long, and the list is short.

What’s the best advice you’ve ever gotten?

Someone once told us not to open a bar. In Nashville, it’s tempting to take something cool and capitalize on it, but they said, “You don’t want all the extra responsibilities that come with that.”

That advice stuck with me. It’s not about chasing commercial opportunities—it’s about doing things with purpose. If we ever do open a bar, it’ll be because it serves our community and aligns with our mission.

What are you looking forward to? What’s next?

I’m looking forward to growing outside of our routine events. Personally, I want to find someone to help carry the torch for the next thousand Whiskey Jams. I’ve been hosting and organizing them for years, and I know I won’t be doing it forever.

I’d also like to spread the word about Whiskey Jam through media extensions. We’re working on ways to contribute meaningfully to the media space, helping artists beyond their time on stage. It’s about finding the right medium to connect artists with fans who’ll appreciate them.

I’m intrigued by larger events, like festivals. We’ve done tailgates and outdoor shows, and they’re so much fun. I also think about having a home base—our own space where we can serve the performer and audience community seven days a week.

We always think big. For years, “Whiskey Jam Airlines” has been a joke on our whiteboard. It’s about dreaming beyond the obvious. Could there be Whiskey Jam liquor store? A movie? Nothing is off-limits. At the end of the day, I care more about raising everyone up and keeping the community strong than about finding the next big thing.

My Music Row Story: City National Bank’s Lori Badgett

Lori Badgett

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Lori Badgett is Senior Vice President & Team Leader of Entertainment Banking for City National Bank (CNB), and has spent over 25 years serving the entertainment industry nationwide. Badgett helped launch the first Nashville office in 2011 and co-manages the office with Diane Pearson. The bank has quickly become Nashville’s premier entertainment bank, now serving over 85% of the Nashville music industry. The bank is instrumental in financing some of the top business and creative names—including artists, songwriters, producers, managers, performing rights organizations, agencies, publishers, business managers and law firms.

Badgett enjoys giving back through nonprofit board involvement. She previously served as Chairman of the Academy of Country Music and ACM Lifting Lives, and  actively sits on the Boards for the Americana Music Foundation, Belmont Curb School of Music, Women’s Fund of the Community Foundation of Middle Tennessee and Girls Give as well as Music Health Alliance. Badgett also served as past President of Leadership Music and was part of the 2002 class.

She has been recognized as one of Billboard’s Top Women in Business, Top 50 Women in Music, Country Power Players as well as Variety’s Women Who Power Country Music, Top Entertainment Industry Dealmakers and Top 30 Music City Impact Players. She lives in Brentwood with her husband Jon and their daughters.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up outside of Nashville, in Hendersonville. My father worked at Opryland USA, which included the Grand Ole Opry, the hotel and the theme park. He was Vice President of Marketing & Public Relations.

Badgett with Marty Robbins

We had a very unique childhood—growing up at a theme park, going to the Opry for various occasions. He was close to Mr. Roy Acuff, Bud Wendell, Jack Vaughn, Jerry Bradley and others of that generation. He worked there from 1974–1990. Those were really fun times in the music business, and for Nashville. Back then, there wasn’t much happening downtown. Everyone went to Opryland. He had a lot of fun entertaining different people.

What’s your earliest memory of those days?

I definitely spent a lot of nights in Roy Acuff’s dressing room during shows as a kid. I remember listening to Marty Robbins in his dressing room, Porter and Dolly performing on stage, Max D. Barnes playing songs he had written on our back porch, going to see Vern Gosdin and Gene Watson at Twitty City and Opryland shows like “I Hear America Singing.” There was always music playing in our house, including Conway & Loretta, George & Tammy, Ray Stevens and Don Williams, just to name a few. We had dinner a couple of times at the steakhouse in the Opryland hotel once with the cast of The Dukes of Hazzard and another with the cast of Dallas. Larry Hagman and Patrick Duffy—those kinds of moments were just strangely normal for us.

Dolly Parton and Badgett

Did you know then that you wanted to do this?

Absolutely not! I’ve always loved country music and being part of music, but I graduated from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville without really knowing what I wanted to do. I was a business graduate and a marketing major, and banks were recruiting hard. I ended up in SunTrust Bank’s Management Training program. It was a one-year program that taught you about the bank and helped you find your fit. This was in 1996. I remember that I was usually in heels, pantyhose and a Talbots dress because it wasn’t appropriate for women to wear pants at that time.

The Head of the Music Division at SunTrust, Brian Williams, stood out to me during the training program. He was fun and well-connected in both the business and music communities. Back then, Nashville wasn’t “Music City” as it is today. Brian was a true connector, bridging the gap between the people on Music Row and the downtown business community. He was my first boss, and I didn’t realize how special that was at the time.

How did you get to work with him?

Kenny Chesney, Badgett and Tracy Lawrence

At the end of the training program, you figured out where you wanted to be, and they figured out who they wanted. Brian and I clicked. The other option was the Marketing department, and while that was appealing, I thought if I worked on Music Row as a banker, I’d better understand what the Marketing department needed. So, I leaned into that path—and here I am almost 30 years later.

What did you learn as you started your career as an entertainment banker?

Back then, we celebrated everything—Gold, Platinum and Diamond records. Record sales were so successful before streaming. I went through Leadership Music in 2002, when we were debating Napster and whether people would ever watch movies or listen to music on their phones.

Dwight Yoakam and Badgett

I went to graduate school at Belmont, where I earned an MBA in music business. We had roundtable discussions with industry legends like Donna Hilly, Tim DuBois and Mike Curb. Hearing their stories was fascinating.

The music business has changed a lot since then. When I started at the bank, it was about handling mostly deposits with some loans and mortgages. Over time, it grew heavily into the investment side and, by 2006, we were in large-scale syndications as music publishing began to grow. The number of labels has consolidated, and the same trends have happened in publishing.

I’ve always admired the entrepreneurs in the music business—they are so unique and take incredible risks with so much uncertainty, and somehow succeed. It’s rewarding to watch and be part of their journey.

At what point did you decide to stay in music banking instead of marketing?

Probably five or six years into working with Brian. I had built a book of business and cared deeply about my clients. I never looked back after that. We built the business by understanding the unique cash flow and challenges of the music industry. I became a translator—explaining to creative people what banks can do and showing the bank why a creative person is a good risk.

Badgett, her daughter Ellie and Taylor Swift

However, Brian always knew that I enjoyed the marketing aspects of our office and let me run with projects. I worked closely with the Marketing department on every campaign, photo shoot, taglines and promotions. That’s why he was such a good leader—he let all of us do what we were good at. I still get to use all of my marketing expertise at CNB in promoting what we do best.

Bankers are involved in so much. How do you explain what you do now?

Recently my daughter had to write a college essay. She started it with, “Growing up, I never knew what my mother did.” That’s still accurate. I feel that my work is primarily about connecting people and helping them succeed, whatever success means to them. Sometimes that’s finding financial investors or partners, or just introducing people I know who have similar goals and are good people at heart. I’m heavily involved in nonprofits, which is the most rewarding part. During the COVID pandemic, with ACM Lifting Lives, we doubled down on giving and distributed four million dollars in two thousand-dollar increments. It was life-changing for people who needed that support at an unprecedented time in history. CNB also took on the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) lending process during the pandemic which was a monumental achievement.

Badgett with Kris Kristofferson

You co-lead the Music Row office of City National Bank with Diane Pearson. Tell me about that.

Diane and I have worked together since the beginning of my career, and we’re great partners and friends. We know each other’s strengths, so any issue that comes up, we immediately know who will handle it. Our team is passionate and on-call 24/7. When clients are on the road or dealing with credit card issues, we’re here to help, whether they’re filling up a bus or checking into a hotel, we have to be sure things go as planned. Diane and I are so much alike in that we’re both extremely committed to helping the Nashville music community whatever that means on any given day.

What’s your favorite part of the job?

The people! The people I get to work with—my colleagues and our clients are truly the best of the best, and I’m honored to be on their team. And of course, the music… I’m an avid fan, and there is nothing that will ever replace the live music experience.

Badgett, Sarah Trahern, RAC Clark and Damon Whiteside

I also really love the charitable component, and I’m grateful CNB is such a strong supporter. Our successful business allows us to lead in nonprofits. I’ve been deeply involved with ACM, ACM Lifting Lives, Leadership Music, Americana Music Association, Music Health Alliance and Young Leaders Council. Currently, I serve on the Board at Belmont University for Curb College, and the newest expansion is going to provide incredible things for students and our music community. I’m also involved with the Community Foundation’s Women’s Fund. I recently attended a grantee lunch where recipients shared what they’ll do with their grants—buying diapers, supporting self-defense programs, or helping to provide period products so girls don’t miss school. It’s humbling and inspiring to see the impact we can make.

What did your dad think about your career in the music business?

He loved it. Anytime I could take him to an industry event, like the Country Music Hall of Fame Medallion Ceremony or something at the Opry, he was thrilled. He passed away a couple of years ago, but we had a very special relationship. He was so proud of me, even though I think he found it surprising that his goofy, creative daughter became a banker!

Mandy Morrison, JaHan Wang, Diane Pearson, Martha Henderson, Jason Plum and Badgett

Who have been your mentors?

Brian Williams. Not only was he my first boss, he believed in me when he didn’t have to. He always said I worked with him, not for him, and that stuck with me. His leadership taught me how to treat people and manage effectively.

Martha Henderson, who ran CNB’s Entertainment division for 40 years, has also been a huge influence. She is the reason I made the change from SunTrust to CNB. She embodies integrity, always putting clients first, and her steady leadership has been inspiring.

What personality traits are crucial for this job?

You have to be dependable and trustworthy. Building trust is everything. You also have to be responsive—most calls or emails are time-sensitive. It’s demanding but rewarding.

What advice would you give to future leaders in this business?

Show up. There are so many opportunities in the music business, but you have to take initiative. Talk to people. Most are willing to share their journey if you ask. Don’t sit back and wait for things to happen.

I’ve been blessed to do this for almost 30 years, with a wonderful family and a career I love. I’m very lucky.

My Music Row Story: Play It Again Music’s Dallas Davidson

Dallas Davidson

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Multi-Platinum songwriter, father of three and songwriter rights advocate Dallas Davidson has written over 700 noteworthy, cross-genre tracks recorded. With over a billion radio impressions to his name, his illustrious songwriting repertoire massively influenced the modern country music of today.

He has penned 27 No. 1 singles, including nine No. 1 hits performed by Luke Bryan like “That’s My Kind of Night” and “I Don’t Want This Night To End.” Other hit songs written by Davidson include “Boys Round Here” (Blake Shelton), “Just A Kiss” (Lady A), “I Don’t Dance” (Lee Brice), “Running Out Of Moonlight” (Randy Houser) and many others. He has written songs with and for megastars like Morgan Wallen, Darius Rucker, Lady Gaga, Jason Aldean, Sabrina Carpenter, Jewel, T-Pain, Trace Adkins, Teddy Swims, Florida Georgia Line, FloRida, Tim McGraw, Keith Urban and Blake Shelton.

The Georgia-born lyricist’s writing chops have won him countless awards and honors since he made his way to Nashville in 2004, including a Grammy Award, six CMA Triple Play, two ACM Songwriter of the Year honors, Billboard’s Hot Country Songwriter of the Year, two BMI Songwriter of the Year awards, NSAI Songwriter of the Year, two BMI Song of the Year trophies, two NSAI “Songs I Wish I Had Written” and others.

In 2021, Davidson launched his full-service music company, Play It Again Music (PIA), whose name is inspired by Bryan’s eight-times platinum smash hit of the same name, which Davidson co-penned. He and his PIA team champion rising artists and songwriters, helping them discover and strategically execute their goals and creative vision. With two decades of industry-altering success under his belt, Davidson is now keen on forging the way for emerging storytellers and artists.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I was born in Atlanta and raised in Albany, Georgia, which is southwest Georgia.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Were you musical growing up?

No. I played sports, hunted and fished. My mother played piano and always tried to get me to play. Where I was from, if you played piano, you were a little wimp. I have learned that I should listened to my mother because, man, did I miss out on that one.

What was your dream when you were 17?

I have always been very driven. My parents were divorced and my dad lived in Atlanta. He was one of the most successful lawyers in the world at that point. My mother was a school teacher. At 17, I was just looking for the next good time.

I went to the University of Georgia, and I got my real estate license when I was in college because I wanted to go make money. I transferred to Georgia Southern. Luke Bryan and I went at the same. That’s where the music started.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

How did you meet Luke?

When we were teenagers, we both [unbeknownst to each other] had gotten permission to hunt this dude’s farm. I had gotten permission from the owner and he had gotten permission from the farmer.

I kept seeing this truck parked and these tire tracks. I was like, “Who is this jack ass poaching on my land?” I wrote this really nasty letter and put it under his windshield wiper. The guy that called me was Luke. That’s how we met.

Later on, when I transferred from UGA to Georgia Southern, he had finished up junior college in Albany. We became best friends. I ended up being his first unofficial manager when he was playing bars and clubs in the area. My passion started by going to his shows and seeing that. I never wanted to be on stage, I just loved the action and hustle of it all.

When did you start writing songs?

I got a credit on one of the songs on his first CD, which was under his band Neyami Road, named after the halfway point between New York and Miami that ran right through our hometown. On the inside cover of the CD, he thanked me for helping him write a song. I don’t think I really helped write it, I was just hanging around enough to throw a few words in here and there. I wasn’t quite there yet when it came to songwriting.

Before he came to Nashville in 2002, I threw him a going away party at my house. I followed him in my truck with a U-Haul up to Nashville and helped him carry his 7,000 pound couch up two flights of stairs in his first apartment.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Then you went back home.

Yep, I went back to back to Leesburg and kept selling real estate. One night I was on the way back from a friend’s wedding. My dumb ass friend threw trash out of the window and I got pulled over. I got a DUI—the judge threw the book at me and put me on house arrest. I could not leave or go to work, so my stepmother bought me a $200 guitar. I taught myself how to play during those 30 days. While I was learning the chords, I naturally started singing and mumbling. I would call Luke and he would give me honest feedback, but I got better. One day he called me and was like, “Some of these people don’t speak my language.” I was just dumb amd naive enough to think that I had a shot, so I moved to Nashville on Jan. 7, 2004 to try to work in the music business.

What happened when you got here?

My third night in town, I went to this bar called Tin Roof. Brian Cole and Alicia Pruitt were going to a big party at The Fontanel for John Rich‘s birthday. They snuck me into the party. I ended up meeting Kid Rock and a bunch of other people that night. I thought I had died and gone to heaven.

Big & Rich is important to my journey because when “Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)” came out, I remember thinking I could write whatever I wanted. I love country music in all its forms, from Hank Williams to Garth Brooks, but that opened my eyes. Three months after I moved to town, Jamey Johnson, Randy Houser and I wrote “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk.” Without “Save A Horse, Ride A Cowboy,” we probably never would’ve gone down that path.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Then you were off to the races.

After that song hit, I was immediately painted into a corner as the guy that wrote “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk.” I’m still a painted in that corner sometimes, which I don’t like.

It was my second hit, “Start A Band” with Brad Paisley and Keith Urban, that proved that it wasn’t luck. It was my first actual No. 1, because “Badonkadonk” went to No. 2. After I got that “one hit wonder” off my back, then it happened fast. And it never really stopped.

It’s interesting that you still feel painted into a corner. You’ve had 27 No. 1 hits.

Even today, sometimes I’ll get introduced as the “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk” guy. It was interesting because I had to write my way out of it. But I like that side of country music, and my style became to write the feel-good music, which became the Peach Pickers sound that was later named “Bro Country.” That was another corner I got painted into. Looking back now, I shouldn’t have let whoever was writing the negative stuff about me [and the songs I was writing] matter that much, but when you’re in your twenties and early thirties and your songs are your babies, you care a lot about what people think. You want people to like you.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

By focusing on writing the kind of songs I like, I wrote “Gimmie That Girl,” “If Heaven Wasn’t So Far Away” and “Put A Girl In It.” I did “Country Girl (Shake It for Me)” several hits down the road, so I painted myself back into the corner. [Laughs]

Tell me about The Peach Pickers, your work with Ben Hayslip and Rhett Akins.

Me and Rhett Akins wrote “Kiss My Country Ass,” which Blake Shelton cut. Rhett wanted me to meet his best friend, Ben Hayslip. They’re both from Valdosta, Georgia, so we were three boys from the Peach State, all picking guitars. Tom Luteran was the one that named us the Peach Pickers. We spoke the same language—I’m talking about finishing each other’s sentences. God blessed us by putting us all together.

We had such a great run. For over a decade, we wrote every Wednesday. We wrote so many songs, and those songs just keep getting recorded. We became the greatest of friends and then we started touring together, opening up for Luke Bryan. I didn’t play this year, but it was our 14th year on “Farm Tour.” I missed out for the first time because I quit drinking about a year ago. It sucked to miss, but they had a good time. We’ll do year 15.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Looking back on the songs, are there any that stand out as your most proud work?

“Rain Is A Good Thing.” When I would go into a write during that time, I would be the first one there. I’d grab a guitar and come up with a bunch of ideas. I tried to be really prepared when my co-writer showed up. I would call my buddies back at home that morning and talk to them about their lives. I wanted to write songs that made them proud of me, so that had to reflect on what they did. “Rain Is A Good Thing” was the perfect song to make my friends proud of their boy. I also wrote it with one other person named Luke Bryan, who is my best friend. It was our first No. 1 together—just two boys that came from the same place stood up on stage at the No. 1 party and celebrated that song.

I’m also proud of “Play It Again,” “If Heaven Wasn’t So Far Away,” “Just a Kiss” and “Huntin’, Fishin’ and Lovin’ Every Day.”

When did you start Play It Again Music?

2015. With the publishing deals I had been through, there were a lot of things I loved and there were a lot of things I didn’t like about the way things were run. I felt like I had been given a gift by the Nashville, by music and by God, so I started the company to give others a chance. I wanted to run it the way I wish that I had been treated. Still to this day, when I do a deal with a songwriter, I always put my songwriter hat on so I can sit across from the writer and give them fair deals.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Kyle Fishman with my first writer. Kyle wound up writing for me for nine years. That was a great relationship. His co-written “Small Town Boy” was our first No. 1 as a publisher.

After we started having success, Dylan Marlowe came into my life through another amazing [former PIA singer-songwriter] Trea Landon. We signed Dylan as a writer and saw his potential early on. Organically, we started managing him. I wanted to give Dylan the opportunity to get bigger and I felt like I could help him do that.

His songs got better and better and his artistry and brand started coming together, so we did a development deal with him. Next thing you know, we wake up one morning and he’s got a million streams on TikTok. We took him to Sony and did a JV with them on the records side of things, and we just did a deal with Hardy and his publishing company Relative Music. That’s how Play It Again Music went from just publishing to all things music.

Who have been some of your mentors?

Don Schlitz took a chance on me early on. We met when he came and watched me play a round. I didn’t play “Honky Tonk Badonkadonk” because I was ashamed. He came up to me after the show and said, “I came to watch you play ‘Honky Tonk Badonkadonk.'” I said, “Why? You wrote some of the biggest classic country hits ever.” He said, “I wanted to see you play that. Always play your hits.” That developed into a friendship and a lot of co-writes.

Photo: Courtesy of Davidson

Brett Johnson gave me my first shot. He was the first one that really put me in the pros, so to speak. Ben Vaughn really coached me up, gave me confidence and believed in me. Ben Hayslip’s longtime publisher Rusty Gaston was a mentor. Brian Wright, too. My mother and father are mentors. My dad was the one that really taught me country music, and my mother was Motown.

Luke Bryan would be my top mentor, even though I forget that sometimes because we’re buddies. He taught me a lot and mentored me in the ways of handling things appropriately.

What is the best advice you’ve ever gotten?

Be yourself. Don told me to write what you know, and I repeat that to my writers all the time. I won ACM Songwriter the Year in 2011 and Don introduced me. He said, “Dallas is writing these songs and it’s a party where everybody’s invited.” That’s how he described my music. That made me proud that I have continued to write stuff that I wanted write.

What is your favorite part of your job now?

100% watching the smile on people’s faces when we get a win, whether it’s Cade Price, Dylan Marlowe, Faith Hopkins or Alyssa Ramsey. That’s what drives me today, seeing other people succeed.

My Music Row Story: ACM’s Tommy Moore

Tommy Moore

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

As Chief of Staff, Vice President, Artist & Industry Relations, Board Administration & Governance, Tommy Moore spearheads artist communication and engagement within the Academy of Country Music. He also directs the overall Board communication of ACM, in addition to managing ticketing for all of its events. Moore supervises all Academy membership operations as well as ACM Awards voting and processes. Finally, he oversees all the Academy’s DEI initiatives.

Atlanta-born and Chicago-raised, Moore attended Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where he graduated with a degree in broadcasting and electronic communications. His lifelong love for country music dovetailed professionally with an early job in radio at WMIL-FM in Milwaukee, where he worked as a morning show production assistant. Moore joined the Academy in 2011, where he most recently served as Senior Director, Governance & Board Administration, a position that was absorbed into his current expanded role. He reports to Damon Whiteside, ACM CEO.

Additionally, Moore is a Leadership Music Class of 2022 and Society of Leaders In Development (SOLID) Class of 2014 alum. He was also named to MusicRow‘s Next Big Thing list in 2019, and Billboard‘s Pride list in 2021.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I was born just outside of Atlanta, and my parents moved shortly afterward to the northwest suburb of Chicago—Mount Prospect, Arlington Heights area.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

Were you a country music fan?

I was a huge music fan. Music is huge in my family. My mom loves The Boss, and my dad is very eclectic—jazz, folk, you name it. I didn’t get into country until later in high school.

Was music always the plan?

I actually started college on the pre-med track. Music was always part of my life; we sang, though I wasn’t very good at it. My uncle was a doctor and went to Marquette University, and I thought I wanted to follow that path. I loved it and was a strong student, but during my sophomore year, a friend suggested that I try out for a program called Marquette Superstar.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

I did it, and it was so fun. I ended up winning. That introduced me to Marquette’s broadcast and electronic communications major, so I made the switch from pre-med. My parents were super supportive of the change, and that led to an internship in country radio at WMIL Milwaukee.

How did you get the radio job?

I had an internship with a news program that partnered with the radio stations for weather. I heard about an opening at the country station, joined the street team and turned that into a job for about two years.

What did you do there?

I worked with the morning show team, handled blog postings, edited clips and anything else that was needed. Radio doesn’t have a lot of resources, so it was a bit of everything.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

I saw the trajectory—seeing radio tours, the younger artists’ excitement and wanting to be close to that. I loved radio, but after three years, I was ready for a change. Then the ACM came up in 2011.

And you got it! Tell me about joining ACM.

I moved out to Los Angeles and joined ACM as an assistant in Events & Operations, I was heavily involved in the physical parts of event production and some finance. Bob Romeo and Tiffany Moon were leading ACM at the time. Tiffany oversaw all of the Board, talent and some of ACM Lifting Lives and charity. My role evolved and I eventually handled Board and charitable activities. Outside of PR, I’ve touched on every department of the Academy in the last 13 years.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

I became Secretary of the Board, and I just grew with that. About four years ago, I was promoted to create an Artist & Industry Relations department, which hadn’t previously existed. Since we were in L.A. at the time, it was to be the face of the Academy for talent. We wanted to ensure that we connected with the country community. Now I’m the Chief of Staff, Artist & Industry Relations, Board Administration & Governance.

How was the move to Nashville for you?

It’s been almost three years. Time flies. I loved L.A., but I was ready for a new chapter. I’d built a community in Nashville, so it felt like the perfect next step.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

What’s your day-to-day like now?

A big priority of mine is supporting Damon [Whiteside], our CEO, with day-to-day management, HR policies and Board duties. It’s a mix of personnel, Board relations and administrative work.

You must be a people person for this role. How would you describe your management style?

I’m definitely not a micromanager, I believe in empowering staff. If you have the right people in the right spots, they’ll step up to meet demands. Kindness and respect are essential. If you treat people right, they want to work together.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

What’s an experience that your younger self would find cool?

For a class in college, we had to create a Twitter account because it was a new social media platform. I remember live-tweeting the ACM Awards back in college and even tweeted at Katie Cook, who was covering it. It sounds dorky in hindsight, but it’s cool thinking about the award shows we’ve accomplished since then, like the 50th anniversary of the ACM Awards in 2015.

Outside of that, I also have gotten to work on the Academy Awards, the Grammys and a couple of Hollywood Bowl opening nights. I have a lot of meaningful memories that are fun to look back on.

The live television part of your job sounds so stressful. How do you manage your nerves for live shows?

It’s chaotic, we don’t sleep for a month. But you’re filled with adrenaline, and it’s so much fun. Some moments feel surreal, like being part of turning points in artists’ careers.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

Any standout moments from past ACM Awards?

Most recently, Chris Stapleton and Dua Lipa‘s performance at the ACM Awards this year was so great, especially since it was the best-kept secret—which never happens. [Laughs] I also remember a “Salute The Troops” special a few years ago that was a benefit for ACM Lifting Lives. Carrie Underwood sang to a crowd of soldiers, and it was so emotional and touching. It felt good to be a part of something important.

I’m also really proud of the Academy’s work, especially with ACM Lifting Lives. Bringing philanthropy and entertainment together is really rewarding—making people happy while giving back is a great crossroads.

Photo: Courtesy of Moore

Who have been some of your mentors?

One of the coolest thing about my position is getting to work so closely with the Board, specifically our chairs. Past Board Chairs like Rod Essig, Gayle Holcomb, Ed Warm, Ebie McFarland and Chuck Aly have been very impactful.

What advice would you give to someone who is just starting out?

Say yes to everything. Be there, willing to help out. Sometimes [event organizers or internship bosses] don’t know they need help until there’s someone there to offer it.

My parents also taught me to show up, be kind and work hard. If you do that consistently, you’ll get where you’re going.

My Music Row Story: CLLD’s Chris Lisle

Chris Lisle

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Originally from Nashville, Chris Lisle has over 31 years of experience in the entertainment industry. He has worked in a variety of roles including Production Designer, Lighting Designer, Production Manager and Show Producer.

Some of Lisle’s present and past clients include: Alice Cooper, Robert Plant, Brooks and Dunn, Jason Aldean, Jake Owen, Parker McCollum, Judah and the Lion, Lollapalooza, Bonnaroo, The NFL Draft, Miranda Lambert, One Republic, Dave Koz, Danny Gokey, Sugarland, Billy Currington, Peter Frampton, Nick Carter, Kenny “Babyface” Edmonds, Chris Young, Jennifer Nettles, Lee Brice, Kip Moore, Chase Rice, Nashville Convention and Visitors Bureau, IEBA, Sara Evans, Keith Urban, LeAnn Rimes, Lee Ann Womack, Phil Vassar, The Recording Academy and many others.

Lisle is the Co-Founder and Executive Director of the Touring Career Workshop, a nonprofit that serves as “human resources for touring production professionals.” Lisle is a former adjunct instructor at Belmont University, teaching classes on Production Design and Tour/Production Management.

Lisle is a 2016 graduate of Leadership Music, and is a member of the CMA, ACM and the ESA (Event Safety Alliance). He currently serves as a board member for both the CMA and ACM and serves as Vice-Chair of the ACM Events Committee.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I’m a fifth-generation Nashvillian. I grew up right here at Harding and Nolensville Road. My dad still lives in the house I grew up in.

Photo: Courtesy of Lisle

Were you into music growing up?

I was a music fan, but I didn’t perform. It’s one of my regrets. I wish I’d tried playing guitar or something growing up, but no, I discovered music on my own and was a fan of it. Then I just kind of fell into the industry as I got out of high school.

What did you think you were going to do when you were a kid?

I don’t know that I had a definitive answer in high school. I went to MTSU for a very brief stint, planning to major in advertising. My college career at MTSU lasted three and a half months, and we were rowdy. Then I kicked off my career in this industry.

How did that happen?

I dropped out of college quickly. I found fraternities far more interesting than going to class. At the same time, I was working for a company in town called Steak Out. It was like a pizza delivery company, but they delivered steaks and cheeseburgers. I was working there, and two other delivery drivers were musicians.

Through hanging out with them, I started getting to know people in the live music scene here in town, and eventually started running lights at some of these clubs that don’t even exist anymore, like the 328 Performance Hall. One of the guys put together a little band and asked me to go on the road to do lights. So I hit the road in spring of 1991 and didn’t look back.

Photo: Courtesy of Lisle

How did you learn how to do lights on the fly?

At that time, there wasn’t really a school or class you could take. Lighting is an art form, as cheesy as that sounds, because you’re trying to paint this picture behind an artist’s performance. I found a local lighting company, Delta Stage Lighting, and spent time in their shop working for free. It was like my college—learning what fixtures did what, why colors work for some songs and ultimately learning timing and keeping up with the tempo and beat of a song. It was a lot of hands-on, getting your hands dirty and doing some really crappy, low-paying gigs early in my career.

It was definitely intimidating coming up because it was all overwhelming. I came into the industry during a technology shift where we were coming out of ’70s and ’80s touring, which was very much conventional light sources. Suddenly, there were moving lights and things that were computer-controlled. It was intimidating because I was trying to learn both the old-school methodology and the new technology at the same time. The first few years were tough.

Photo: Courtesy of Lisle

Was there anybody that helped you in the beginning?

Mentors are a big part of my story. The owner of Delta Stage Lighting, Tim Ransom, took me under his wing and taught me. I met some lighting designers like Jim Bauman, who was Alan Jackson‘s LD, who he helped me understand programming skills. Beyond that, there were mentors from the business side who taught me about tour etiquette, presenting yourself well, how to handle road life and treating yourself as a business.

What are some of your first memories of shows you worked on?

My first foray into lighting was with small bands that are all special to me because those moments defined what would become my career. I did some shows as a crew person with artists like Delbert McClinton and Louise Mandrell in the early ’90s.

In 1995, I caught a big break and went on the “Walmart Country Music Tour.” That tour was amazing because every Monday, two new bands came out—typically baby acts. We played Walmart parking lots seven days a week, I did 181 shows in a row. Some bands on the tour included Kenny Chesney, Brian White, Charlie Daniels, Joe Diffie and Mark Chesnutt. It was a great opportunity for networking, and I met key people on their teams.

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That’s an amazing idea for a tour.

Yeah, it was unique. It was one of the easiest things I’ve done in my career in some ways, but tough because it was seven days a week. It was a very routine-driven tour, which taught me about touring logistics and networking in the business side of the industry.

What was next for you?

I did the Walmart tour for a few years, then I worked for a production company here in town for a guy named Will Bird, who was the production manager for what was then called Fan Fair [now CMA Fest] at the Fairgrounds. He also produced TV shows, radio shows and live events. I joined as a production assistant and started learning about putting the whole show together. I realized I liked doing both touring and production management. I stayed with Will until early 2001, when I got an opportunity to tour with Lee Ann Womack. I drove the box truck, handled lights at first, and then became her production manager and lighting designer in 2002.

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In 2003, I toured with LeAnn Rimes as her lighting designer. When we went to Australia, Keith Urban was her opening act, so I connected with his team. Later that year, I became Keith’s lighting designer where I stayed until early 2007. That was such a great time. During that time, I learned the importance of taking care of the opening acts because you never know who’s going to make it big next. I made connections with people like Miranda Lambert and Little Big Town. When Miranda broke out with “Kerosene,” I got the call to be her designer. It was this snowball affect where I kept getting calls to do design work.

By 2007, my son was born, and I wanted to pull back from the road, so I focused more on touring design work. I still did gigs with artists like Peter Frampton, Robert Plant, Babyface, Quincy Jones and Sara Evans. In the meantime, I got to know the people at the Nashville Convention and Visitors Corp and they brought me on to production manage the July 4th celebration.

What was next?

In 2014, my son was seven, and I decided it was time to come off the road. I was touring with Robert Plant and thought, “Who better to end my touring career with?” My last show as a touring LD was with Robert Plant at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley in 2014. From then to 2017, I did a lot of design work for artists like OneRepublic, Miranda Lambert, Chris Young, Jason Aldean and Sugarland. At the same time we launched Nashville’s New Year’s Eve show. My company started growing, and we began hiring employees.

In 2017 or 2018, I started working in the festival world. I really enjoyed it, because I was missing traveling. Festivals have become a large part of my work, both in the design side and production management. I recently took over the downtown side of CMA Fest. Coming out of the pandemic, these have been the busiest years of my career. I don’t do as much touring work as I used to, but I’ve [recently worked with] Parker McCollum, Chris Young, Brooks & Dunn and Sara Evans. The festivals keep me busy.

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Do you have shows, tours or festivals that you’re most proud of?

There are several that stand out. Miranda’s “Platinum Tour” was special because it was a big moment in both of our lives, and it was very collaborative. Jason Aldean’s tours hit me during a time I needed a boost. Lighting the portion of the inauguration that I did will always be special to me. I’m not a political guy, but it was my first gig coming out of the pandemic and it was special.

You started the Touring Career Workshop over a decade ago to bring touring personnel together. Tell me about that.

Touring Career Workshop (TCW) is something I’m really proud of and will probably be my legacy more than anything I’ve done production-wise. We started it in 2011, and this is our 13th year. Erik Parker, a former student of mine at Belmont, has this huge heart for serving others. We saw a need in our community for information on basic human resource topics. People were constantly asking about things like quarterly tax filings, retirement and health insurance. Eric and I brainstormed the idea of a mini-workshop with guest speakers on these topics.

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We did the first TCW in the fall of 2011 at Belmont with about 50 attendees, and it was clear we had something special. Over the next year, we created an official 501(c)(3) nonprofit, began soliciting sponsorships and brought the event over to Soundcheck Annex.

Now, we draw 350-400 attendees each year. It’s free, with amazing sponsors. Every year we do programs on setting up your business/tax planning, retirement planning and health insurance—those are the big three—but we also dig into how to make your relationship work on the road, how to stay mentally balanced while touring, how to buy your first home and all these other topics that touch us as gig workers.

In 2014, we launched the All Access Program, which pays for four counseling sessions per year for people in live entertainment, as well as their spouses and partners. Last year, we started All Access On Site where we bring counselors on-site to festivals. This year saw us at nine different festivals and a golf tournament, and we will be at the CMA Awards in a few weeks. That program has taken off to the point where the mental health side of what we do has taken the forefront to anything else.

It seems like you really value networking and community. Why is that important to you?

Because I wouldn’t be sitting here without it. I have a paper resume, but almost everything in my career came through relationships and networking. Growing up in Nashville, my friends are here, but the people I’ve spent time on a tour bus or show site with are the ones I love the most. We become like a family. It’s a close-knit community, and we network to know who needs a tour manager, production manager or fill-in. Early in my career, I learned it’s a small industry and word gets around. I’d much rather be known as a lighthearted, easygoing person than someone difficult to work with.

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What is a moment that you’ve had where your teenage self would think is so cool?

Touring with Robert Plant was a highlight. We did the “Band of Joy” tour with Buddy Miller, Patty Griffin and Darrell Scott, and he performed Zeppelin songs in an Americana style. I traveled all over the world with him—South America, Russia, Europe, Australia, Singapore—and he treated me so well.

Another highlight is working on the Nashville July 4th event. I’ve done it for 15 or 16 years now. My dad took me to see the fireworks downtown as a kid, and now I’m the production manager for the event, so it’s very special to me. My youngest even works on the beverage crew delivering ice and water, so it’s special to have him there, too.

What would you tell a student or someone dreaming of working on the road? How can they get started?

This can be one of the most rewarding careers. It’s not for everybody—there’s a lot of sacrifice. You’ll miss countless birthdays, weddings, funerals and graduations. But you’ll get paid to see the world, and you’ll work with amazing people who become like family.

This is also a great time to enter the industry because artists need touring to make money now more than ever. Great shows require talented people behind the scenes, and there’s still a need for people, especially since we haven’t caught up with the workforce we lost during the pandemic. But they have to understand it’s often 18-hour days, two or three in a row, with bad catering and cold showers. It’s either in your blood or it’s not—and that’s okay.

What’s the best advice you’ve ever gotten?

Reprimand in private, praise in public. I try to follow that in my leadership.

Another was to be diligent and see things through. When I taught at Belmont, I left my students with an acronym I loved: A-C-E-D. A is for attitude: maintain a great attitude, even on hard days, because people remember it. C is communication: respond and provide information in a timely manner. E is experience: never think you know everything; always gain experience. D is diligence: see each project through to completion.

My Music Row Story: Buchalter’s Lauren Spahn

Lauren Spahn

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Lauren Spahn is a Shareholder in Buchalter’s Nashville office and a member of the Intellectual Property practice group whose practice operates at the intersection of music, media and technology. She represents the legal and business interests of creators, music and technology companies, including recording artists, songwriters, publishers, executives, record labels, brands, entrepreneurs and other entertainment industry clients. Her practice has a particular emphasis on the live performance industry, where she routinely serves as an outside general counsel to numerous music promoters, talent buyers, venues, events and festivals, as well as advising on international live touring and related vendor deals.

Spahn also handles complex transactional and pre-litigation matters related to copyright, trademark and intellectual property law. She has experience managing international trademark portfolios and advises her clients on branding, sponsorship, marketing and complex licensing matters, as well as infringement claims. In addition, she consults with clients on the development of new businesses and provides advice regarding corporate formation, trademark and intellectual property protection, non-disclosure and confidentiality agreements, employment agreements and other related corporate documents.

Spahn is a regular in Billboard’s Top Music Lawyers list, has been named to MusicRow’s InCharge list each year since 2021 and was named to The Tennessean’s Nashville 30 Under 30 in 2018. She is a University of Miami Distinguished Alumni (2021) and was named to the Leadership Music Class of 2019 and the Grammy NEXT Class of 2019. Spahn is also a member of the Nashville Bar Foundation Leadership Class of 2016-2017 and the 2016 recipient of the Nashville Bar Association President’s Award.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Palm City, Florida, about half an hour north of Palm Beach.

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Were you into music growing up?

Yes. I played classical piano and sang classical voice from elementary school on. Performing, being in choir and taking lessons really developed my love of music. I played piano and sang through college. It was an integral part of my childhood and shaped what I do today.

Did you always know you wanted to work in music?

Actually, I wanted to be a lawyer. When I was seven, I told my dad I wanted to be the first lady president. No political aspirations now, though. He told me presidents often go to law school, so I decided at seven to become a lawyer. That I stayed with me. When I toured colleges, I saw music business programs. It showed me that I could have a career as a lawyer combined with my passion for music. That solidified my path to becoming an entertainment attorney.

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Where did you go to undergrad?

I ended up at Elon University in North Carolina. I was originally a double major in music and political science. I auditioned for the music program and got in, but I quickly realized I didn’t need a music degree to become a lawyer. The workload of being a dual major was overwhelming because the classes didn’t overlap, so I dropped the music major to a minor and focused on the pre-law track.

I had some great internship experiences during undergrad. A key one was with CMT the summer between my junior and senior year, where I interned in music media and licensing business affairs. That really solidified that entertainment law was what I wanted to pursue, and it confirmed that Nashville was where I ultimately wanted to live and work.

How did you come across that internship?

It was hard to find entertainment law experience at the undergraduate level. I’d interned at a law firm and for the Attorney General in DC, but combining law and entertainment was tougher. I focused on cities that had music and positions that combined both things. I did the traditional application for CMT, did the interviews and got the position. It was a great summer that really made me fall in love with Nashville.

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Do you have any special memories from that internship that affirmed your career choice?

Definitely the excitement around the CMT awards and CMA Fest. Being submerged in the country music scene here and seeing how fans connect to the music made Nashville feel like a special place.

What was next? Where did you go to law school?

I applied to law schools all over but ended up at the University of Miami. I had no intentions of coming back to Florida, but they had started a joint degree program where you could get a master’s in music business alongside your law degree. It allowed me to get music business experience while getting my law degree, which was perfect way to be able to jump into an entertainment law career.

What stands out from that chapter?

The real-world experience in the music business program—learning how royalties are calculated and diving into the business side, while also getting my law degree. I had great experiences in Miami—I interned for Warner Music Latina and AEG Live—but my heart was still in Nashville.

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How did you transition to Nashville?

During my third year of law school, I took a trip to New York and then to Nashville, networking and meeting people. My trip to Nashville ended up being very successful and eye-opening. One of the law firms that I met with asked me how soon I could be here.

I only had one semester left, so I thought creatively and was able to figure out that I could do a visiting semester at Vanderbilt for my last semester and still graduate from the University of Miami. So, I spent my last semester of law school living in Nashville, going to Vanderbilt and interning for an entertainment law firm. Then I spent the summer studying for the Tennessee Bar exam so I could practice here.

What was next?

I passed the bar the first time but struggled to find an entertainment law position. The jobs were scarce and were never posted, and there weren’t as many Nashville companies that were hiring lawyers. So I did volunteer legal work and then landed a job at an IP firm to gain practical law experience. I kept networking, and eventually, Jim Zumwalt from Shackelford, Bowen, McKinley & Norton, LLP, who I’d met multiple times, called me when an associate gave him their notice.

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I had dinner with him that night. I flew to a Dallas to interview with the firm three days later and got the job a couple days after that. That job was never posted, it was just an opportunity I got through networking and maintaining relationships. Jim took a chance on a young attorney. That was 11 years ago.

I moved from associate to partner in 2019. Our Nashville office left Shackleford and joined Buchalter in May this year, where I’m now a shareholder.

When you first became an associate, was there anyone who helped you learn the ropes?

I’ve been fortunate to have multiple people champion and mentor me. Mark Robinson, who was in-house at Warner Music at the time, was instrumental in helping me meet Jim Zumwalt. Ever since I was a law student, Mark has been someone who I’ve been able to go to for advice. When I started at Shackleford, John Bider was a great technical lawyer, and I could always go to him with questions. His office was right across from mine. Jay Bowen is also a mentor, he’s a brilliant lawyer. I still go to him for advice.

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Do you have a story from early in your career when you realized you were really doing it?

When you’re first starting out as an associate, you do a lot of work for other people, but when you celebrate the success of your own client, it’s special. One that stands out is Ian Munsick. We developed a relationship early on, and I believed in his music from the beginning. He has a very unique brand and is true to who he is—I was a true fan from day one. He made a record that was self-funded, and I helped him and his wife and manager, Caroline Munsick, set up meetings and navigate things. I made the connection with Universal and he ended up getting his first publishing deal. I was subsequently on the team to help facilitate and put together his record deal with Warner Music Nashville. Now he’s having amazing success. It’s been incredible to be part of that journey.

[Another client of mine is] Redferrin. I did his first deal with Tree Vibez and have been a fan of his work from the start. I’m so proud of his success, especially in the past year. Also, Wild Rivers, a Canadian band I’ve worked with for seven or eight years. They’ve gone from playing in front of 20 people to selling out the Ryman, and that’s been amazing to witness.

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What are some of your favorite deals to work on?

I love working on the creative artist side when I have that passion, but I’m selective because music is personal to me. A lot of what I do now is on the company side, representing music tech companies, publishers, labels and live event companies. I have a lot of fun in that capacity because I enjoy helping them put all the pieces together and shape their agreements and company structures. It allows me to be creative while staying true to the business side.

What are you excited about with your new firm?

Buchalter has offices across the U.S. We’re not just entertainment litigators and transactional attorneys, so it’s exciting to have access to 500+ lawyers across many practice areas. If a client of mine is interested in starting a wine label or wants to get into NFTs, we have experts in all those fields. We might be looking at tax issues or visa issues with touring overseas. It’s a great resource for me and my clients.

What’s your favorite part of your job?

I love my clients. Eight of my top 10 biggest clients have been with me for six or seven years. I’ve been able to grow with them and be part of their success, which I love.

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It sounds like you’ve always been a go-getter. What drives you?

Probably my passion for what I do. Music has always been personal for me. I hated performing, but I loved being part of it behind the scenes. Now, I get to be involved in music in a way that suits my personality and strengths—putting the deals together and helping shape how music is consumed.

What’s the best advice you’ve ever received?

To be true to myself. As a lawyer, everyone has different negotiation styles. To be effective, you need to be authentic to who you are and how you do business. Knowing that has been key to my career.

My Music Row Story: Downtown Music’s Emily Stephenson

Emily Stephenson. Photo: Ebru Yildiz

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Emily Stephenson serves as Downtown Music’s President of Publishing, overseeing all publishing efforts under the division, including Downtown Music Publishing, Songtrust and Sheer. Collectively, Downtown Music Publishing services over 360,000 songwriters and manages nearly five million copyrights globally.

Prior to her current role, Stephenson served as Downtown Music Publishing’s Vice President of Business Operations and, during her 12+ year tenure at the company, has been at some point responsible for each aspect of publishing administration and client services for Downtown’s songwriter and publishing clients, including Spirit Music Group, Ryan Tedder, Big Yellow Dog and the John Lennon Estate. Since her appointment as President in 2023, Stephenson has been instrumental in leading all publishing efforts, resulting in key signings including Grammy-nominated songwriter and award-winning artist, Raja Kumari, Laurie Anderson, Josh Ramsay and notable indie rock band The National.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up just south of town in Franklin. My parents both graduated from Vanderbilt and never left. They were both athletes at Vanderbilt—my dad played football and my mom played tennis—and then dad became a physical therapist and mom was a math teacher. I had a wonderful childhood. Franklin was an amazing place to grow up. I’m the oldest of four siblings, so our house was always full of life.

How did music become part of your story?

There’s no real musicality in our family, but growing up in the area, I was around it. Our community was full of songwriters and musicians, so I was hyperaware of the creativity that was and is so core to Nashville.

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What was college like?

I went to Auburn University and studied Communications with a minor in Spanish. I started as a Math Education major because I wanted to do what my mom did, but that was very hard. [Laughs] I switched to Communications and I loved it. During my time at Auburn, I was an athletic tutor for the public speaking course that everyone had to take, which was fun.

As part of the Communications program, you had to do a full semester internship. I knew I wanted to go into music—at that point I had started getting my hands on demos that were being passed around had become obsessed with music discovery. Since there were no music internships in Auburn, Alabama, I came back to Nashville during my last semester of college and did an internship at an artist management company.

What was that internship like?

I already had a feeling I wanted to go into publishing—I wanted to support songwriters and their work. But looking back, the artist management firm was a great overview into the full picture of the music industry. I got a glimpse into what it takes to make and release an album, prepare for a tour, write a treatment for a music video, and all the in-betweens.

What happened next?

After graduation, I moved home to Nashville and waited tables at the J. Alexander’s in Cool Springs for a few months while I was job hunting, and then got a call one day from Bluewater Music Group because I had been recommended for a position. I went there and worked for Jessica Myers, who taught me so much. Something that makes Bluewater really unique is their global collection strategy. Bluewater was a really great way for me to understand and make connections with international collection societies and learn the landscape in different territories. I was there for about a year.

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Then what happened?

That first year out of college in Nashville was a blast. I was in a group of friends who were all getting our feet wet in the industry. Many of us are still working in publishing and the songwriters have gone on to have really successful careers.

Although I loved my friends and family in Nashville, I knew I wanted to move to New York. I was starting to look for jobs in the city and found Downtown Music. I really liked their roster and how they were approaching publishing. I applied for open role in publishing administration, specifically for international collections. I knew I was qualified because of my work at Bluewater, but I wasn’t hearing back from Downtown.

One day I was so deep down the research rabbit hole of this company that I found the then-President, Justin Kalifowitz’s, personal website. He had his personal email address on his website, so I emailed him. I said something to the effect of, “I want to work for your company and I think what you guys are doing is amazing. I’ve applied for this job and I haven’t heard back, but next time you’re in Nashville, let me know. I would love to take you out for coffee.” He replied, “I’ll be in Nashville next week. Let’s get coffee.”

We met a few times over the course of the next several months. One day he called me and said he was in town and had a job he wanted to talk to me about. We went to lunch and about two weeks later, I moved to New York. That was 12 and a half years ago.

Tell me about your time in New York.

I was in New York 2012 to 2018. I was hired in under our Songtrust division, which had just recently launched. Songtrust is a publishing offering where anybody can sign up. When I joined, we could only administer catalogs in Canada, the U.K. and the U.S., so I came in and did several society affiliations, a couple of sub-publishing deals and just really expanded the territory of our offering. It was a really small shop at the time, so I was doing royalty processing, copyright registrations, label copy, client services, finance and tax forms and more. At the time we hadn’t built the technology we have now, so everything was done manually and I learned how to do so much.

Songtrust grew substantially and we had a lot more volume, so I grew that operations team. About three years into it, the leadership team approached me about doing global expansion for the Downtown Music Publishing catalog.

What did that entail?

It wasn’t exactly the same because they already had a relationships in place. It really was more about overseeing international relationships, so I moved over to Downtown and led what we called International Administration. It was a great way for me to get to know the clients and get to know the catalog.

At the time, Downtown was aggressively buying catalogs and signing deals. The Downtown office in New York had one of the top studios in Manhattan in the back, and so you might ride the elevator up with A-List, Grammy winning artists or run into current chart toppers in the kitchen. It was really fun. We were building something exciting and everyone was invested, engaged and happy.

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What else sticks out from that time?

I came in at such early stages of Songtrust, and even when I moved over to Downtown, I realized I could change the way things are done in a really positive way. The leadership was so open to that, so I wanted to seize that moment. I did a lot to take establish trust within Downtown. I was responsive on email, I was showing up early and staying late—I wasn’t overworking myself, I was just excited. I realized I was at this company that was going to go on to do great things and I was in early.

What was next for you?

Downtown wanted to start a Client Services department so that songwriters could reach someone who is not A&R or their creative contact, but can talk royalty, copyright, deal and licensing matters. I was well positioned given my history to do that, so we created that department and brought on a co-head to lead it with me. I was talking to our clients every day and creating a really good rapport with them.

In 2018, I moved back to Nashville because I had my first baby. Being in our Nashville office was so awesome because I was back to hearing songs being written on the other side of the wall and seeing writers come in and out every day. It was a jolt back to the basics.

Then in 2022, my role changed again to a Business Operations role, which was a launching pad to take a larger leadership role at the company. That’s how I got integrated into how management worked—finance, HR, legal, etc.

How did you become President of the company?

I was nine months pregnant with my third baby and our CEO Andrew Bergman was visiting Nashville. We went to dinner and he said, “We want you to take your maternity leave and enjoy your time off, but when you come back, we want you to run the publishing company.” I was dumbfounded. I came back from maternity leave in January of 2023 in this new role. It’s been a lot of work, but so much fun.

What were your goals when you started out?

At the time we had sold our owned assets and were shifting focus to an admin-only business. My main goal was to figure out how to make this company successful and compelling for rights-owners on an administration margin. I also did a lot of work initially to assess how we’re structured, who we have doing what and what types of deals we’re going after, and fully committing to us being an admin business. Our staff, clients and prospective clients needed to understand what it is that we can do for them and how that’s unique. One big initial task was to put Downtown Music Publishing and Songtrust to sit under one management.

I do feel like we accomplished the goals that we set out to do early on, and did it pretty quickly and aggressively. I also wanted to be transparent with our team. I host quarterly town hall meetings with the company where I share financials, business plans, our yearly goals and objectives and how we’re thinking about things because I want people to come to work and feel like they’re connected to the work they’re doing and the vision of the company.

What would you say is your favorite part of your job?

The people. Over half of our management team has worked together for over a decade. When I was coming into the role as President, I was really nervous because there were so many people that I had worked with for so long. My colleagues have put a lot of trust in me. The people I get to work with every day are wildly smart and creative.

Our clients are the exact same way. Getting to work the clients we support is so rewarding. Not only do they have incredible catalogs – they’re just good people.

Who have been some of your mentors?

The leadership at Downtown has been so good to me over the years. Justin thinks about music in a way that’s so out of the box, and through all of his successes has always remained accessible. Andrew finds the perfect balance between challenging me but also respecting when I push back. Generally the leadership at Downtown has always been really good to me.

What moment have you had that your teenage self would think is so cool?

I just told this story to someone. We signed Colbie Caillat at the end of 2022. She was my ringback tone in high school. Her music has meant so much to me through different seasons in my life, and years later I was sitting in a room with her signing a deal. I feel like it’s important to not stop getting starstruck. There’s nothing wrong with being a fan.

My Music Row Story: Julian Bunetta

Julian Bunetta

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Producer, songwriter and music publishing executive Julian Bunetta‘s remarkable body of work has exceeded 30 billion streams and spans multiple genres. He has created unforgettable hits for numerous artists, including One Direction (he co-wrote/produced over 40 songs for the group, including “Story of My Life” and “Drag Me Down”), Niall Horan (top 40 radio No. 1 “Slow Hands”), Thomas Rhett (country radio No. 1 “Look What God Gave Her”), Rudimental (Ivor Novello-winning hit “These Days”) and more. This year, Bunetta has reached new heights, co-writing/producing two top 40 radio No. 1 hits, Sabrina Carpenter’s “Espresso” and Teddy Swims’ “Lose Control.”

With more on the way, including his most recent production credits for Carpenter’s “Taste” and executive producing Rhett’s most recent album About A Woman, it has really always been music and the studio for Bunetta. His father, Peter Bunetta, was a drummer who produced records by Smokey Robinson and Kenny G, as well as Matthew Wilder’s 1983 top-five hit “Break My Stride.” His uncle, Al Bunetta, was John Prine’s longtime manager and Co-Founder of Prine’s groundbreaking Oh Boy Records. And now, just as music began as a family affair for Julian Bunetta, so it remains working alongside his brother Damon at their publishing company after discovering a young writer named John Ryan, who became a crucial collaborator.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I grew up in what is now a pretty famous city, Calabasas, California. When I was young, there was just a gas station off the exit there in this little community called Monte Nido. It might as well have been living in Leiper’s Fork in the ’80s.

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Your father, Peter Bunetta, is in the business, as was your uncle, Al Bunetta. Were you into music from the beginning?

I’d get picked up from school and then get dropped off at the studio with my dad. My uncle managed John Prine for 30 years, so I kind of grew up in and around it. It was just my fish tank.

I don’t remember learning to play drums. In my earliest memories, like age three and four, I already knew how to play the drums. My dad tells a story of just seeing me tap along to music at two years old. I always knew that this was something that I would do for the rest of my life, because I just loved to play drums.

I was just obsessed with reading credits on albums. As I got older, my love for music changed. It started as just a love for playing drums, but I got into jazz and classical and started learning about those genres. Then I got Logic on my computer and began making beats. After making beats for a while, I came to Nashville for the first time and started writing lyrics. That’s what really hooked me, the puzzle of songwriting. The final stop so far has been songwriting, and production goes hand in hand.

Is there a memory that sticks out from watching your dad in the studio?

I loved the studio environment. It felt like a secret club, all the people in there laughing, hanging out, talking music and eating food. I loved watching my dad orchestrate the room. That was really fascinating to me.

I remember one time when I was 10 or 12, I was watching him work with some really amazing, A-plus musicians. They started tracking this song and were going through the first couple takes, and something wasn’t working right with the groove. It was just my dad and I in the control room, so I said, “Hey dad, what if he played this groove like this?” So he went to the board and asked the drummer to do it, and it was the right part. He slid me a little high five. That made me feel like I knew what I was hearing.

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Before you came to Nashville, what was your goal?

I wanted to be Dr. Dre or Timbaland. I wanted to produce hip-hop, which was one of my loves musically. I just wanted to make the coolest beats. Then I came to Nashville on a writing trip and watched the magic of turning a phrase and flipping the meaning of words. It blew my mind. From ages 18–20, I learned how to write lyrics from Nashville songwriters, while penning stuff pop stuff. I got my publishing deal when I was 19, so I was writing in my bedroom at my parents’ house in L.A. and flying out to Nashville and writing with amazing country writers.

I got my first cut with Wayne Kirkpatrick from some of those early writes. It was a Little Big Town song called “Live With Lonesome.” It’s such a wild full-circle moment because I’m now friends with the band. My first cut was a country cut, coming from L.A. and wanting to be a rap producer.

Your career took off when you started working with the massive international boy band One Direction. Tell me about that chapter.

It was just a rocket ship. You can’t plan your career—you can wish for something or walk towards something, but you never know how it’s going to happen or who the character’s gonna be. It was unlocked by the chemistry with my songwriter/producer partner, John Ryan, who we had signed when he was fest out of college. Our chemistry in the room together unlocked everything. He and I would write with a guy named Jamie Scott, or we’d go write with Ed Drewitt and Wayne Hector, and then it just took off. With the exceptions of Stevie Wonder and a few others, everybody does it with a partner or two. The chemistry of those people make something greater than they could produce by themselves like Elton John and Bernie Taupin or John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Once I met my counterpart, then everything became bigger than the sum of the parts. It was just a fun, amazing time.

It’s really surreal [to hear the songs sung in stadiums], especially in different countries where English is a second language. It’s overwhelming and emotional. It’s what everybody dreams of—millions of people singing your song.

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Do you have a favorite of those songs?

“Story of My Life.” Everything just fell into place. It was one of those magic nuggets that fell out of the sky when we happened to have our phones on. We just started plucking along and then like the whole verse and pre-chorus melody just happened. That was the song that opened the door and became my calling card. I was really proud of it.

I’m sure people were beating down your door to write at that point.

If they were, I couldn’t do it because I had another One Direction album to make. We did three over three years. After that, there was Niall Horan‘s solo project to work on. I did a song on Harry Styles‘ record. The fallout that followed was that people wanted me to do that same thing. There was a lot of other bands that called. It’s funny because you get recognized for something and then you get pigeonholed. That’s what everybody wants—to be recognized for something. But all my mentors had told me that once you have a hit, you don’t have it made after that. You’re only as good as what you did yesterday. People are writing great songs all the time. That’s when I started coming back to Nashville again and started working with Thomas Rhett.

Tell me about that.

I had started dating my now wife, Virginia Bunetta, and she was managing a young Thomas Rhett. We started dating before he had had his breakout with “Die A Happy Man.” We wrote together for the Life Changes album.

I was kind of nervous to write with TR because my fiance at the time was managing him, I didn’t want to mess it up. He felt the same way about me because he had listened to a lot of the One Direction songs, so we finally got together. Our first hit together was “Craving You,” the first single off of Life Changes.

I got to co-produce half of the record with TR, Dann Huff and Joe London. It was a fun record because we combined EDM and country. We did all these fun experiments. I produced “Star of the Show” and wrote and produced “Look What God Gave Her.” Then we did “Beer Can’t Fix,” so we had a good run of four right off the bat. He asked me if I wanted to do more and produce the most recent record with Dann, which was so fun.

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At what point did Nashville become home?

I officially moved here in 2018. It’s been great. I love the pace and the people. Everyone seems to have more of a work-life balance. I appreciate the community and the camaraderie with everybody.

Even though you moved to Nashville, and have continued to work in the country space, it hasn’t stopped you from having massive pop success. You just had a bunch of songs on the Sabrina Carpenter album that everyone’s talking about.

I believe we wrote our first song  in 2021. We just had two days together—me, her and Steph Jones. We hung out and were kind of writing a ballad, but mostly just laughing a lot and being really silly. I immediately felt chemistry in our banter. We came in the second day, expanded that banter and wrote “Nonsense.” The whole song, production and everything spilled out that day. Then Sabrina invited me to a writing camp in New York and we wrote a couple other songs [for that album]. I remember telling my brother and manager, as well as my co-partner John Ryan who was working with her in L.A., that I would cancel anything when she wants to work. I just thought she was so talented.

When “Nonsense” started to pop off, Sabrina had the brilliant idea to do the outros on tour and shout out the city. We wrote one and we wrote two, and then then we wrote so many more. We did a Christmas version. It’s a testament to her work ethic. How many people would just stop after 10, 15 or 20 different unique outros?

For the most recent album, John and I got to work together. We got to do “Good Graces, “Don’t Smile” and “Taste.” He did “Bed Chem” and I did “Espresso” separately. She’s phenomenal.

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Who have been your mentors throughout your career?

Definitely my dad first. My whole life we’ve talked music and theory, and had these conversations about how you treat people when you’re having success and how to conduct yourself as a person that people look at to guide the room. My uncle was a mentor as well. He taught me how to stick by your principles and stick with the people that you believe in, and not just jump from this to that. You can win that way too, but he stuck with John Prine and Steve Goodman for his whole career. He showed me how to stick with your people, build it and win with your friends.

There have been a lot of people along the way that have helped me. Steve Keppner and Andrew Frampton were great songwriters and producers, and they were also great record executives. Steve Keppner had a No. 1 song in five decades. The way that he showed up every day in the studio, like a kid in the sandbox ready to learn was inspiring. I spent many years writing with Savin Katecha, whose mentor was Max Martin, so I got to hear secondhand Max Martin mentorship through him. Dann Huff has become a mentor in this town. I’ved loved watching the way he brings out the best in people.

What advice would you give someone reading this that wants to do what you do?

You can only be yourself, that’s number one. It’s always good to have a goal, because it helps you focus your energy, but you’ve got to filter the world through your taste. Your specific taste makes you unique. Embrace your tastes and work towards the craft. The greatest song that you can possibly ever write is always still dangling in front of you.