Rachael Hession Named VP Of National Promotion At TRIBL Records

Rachael Hession

Rachael Hession has joined TRIBL Records as VP of National Promotion.

Hession studied marketing at Taylor University in Indiana, and prior to joining TRIBL, served as Manager of National Promotion at Capitol Christian Music Group. She helped launch the careers for award-winning artists Anne Wilson and We The Kingdom, and promoted over 25 No. 1 singles. Recently, she founded The Springboard Music Podcast.

In Hession’s new role, she will oversee the radio promotion, marketing and brand development for TRIBL and its partnering company’s roster. Founded in 2020 by Tony Brown, Jonathan Jay, Norman Gyamfi, Stephanie Valcarcel and Mary Sirois, the company is home to Grammy-winning Maverick City Music as well as JJ Hairston, TRIBL (artist collective), Naomi Raine, JWLKRS Worship, Maverick City Musica, ReFRESH Worship, Travis Greene, Forward City Music, Tim Bowman, One Voice, Jimmy Levy, Sons The Band and Family Music.

“We are excited and honored to have the gift and talents of Rachael Hession join our family. We all knew instantly she understood the vision and assignment of our label. TRIBL is more than a group of individuals or space, it’s the point of genesis of a new worship sound, and Rachael will help further this mission,” says Gyamfi.

“Rachael Hession is an excellent executive who embodies our company’s mission,” adds Jay.

“I found TRIBL during the pandemic,” says Hession. “Their music gave me a sense of community and togetherness that I desperately needed. It’s an honor to be joining a team that has personally affected me so deeply. I am excited to be partnering with them in building memories and lasting relationships with radio personnel and listeners across the globe.”

Thomas Rhett Sells Out Shows On ‘Home Team Tour 23’

Thomas Rhett meeting fans in Lafayette, Louisiana at Cajundome

Multi-Platinum artist Thomas Rhett is busy on the road this summer as his “Home Team Tour 23” continues to sell out shows across the country, with recent capacity crowds in Peoria, Albany, Buffalo, Wilkes-Barre, Boston, Grand Rapids, Lafayette, Belmont Park, St. Paul, Chicago and more.

Thomas Rhett performing at Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minnesota

Each show includes many of hisfan-favorite No. 1 hits as well as a few surprise tracks. Presented by Dos Primos Tequila and fueled By Marathon, the Live Nation-produced tour will stop at a total of 40 cities across 27 states. The hitmaker recently added a second night at Bridgestone Arena for Sept. 30 after selling out the first date on Sept. 29.

 

Thomas Rhett rocking out in Peoria, Illinois at Peoria Civic Center Arena

In addition to his tour, Rhett has been the first celebrity collaborator with Western brand Tecovas, launching a exclusive and limited edition line featuring boots, shirts and hats. The artist also recently announced the upcoming release of a retrospective vinyl collection, 20 Number Ones, celebrating his milestone achievement of earning 20 No. 1s in just 10 years.

Thomas Rhett performing at UBS Arena in Belmont Park, New York

Remaining “Home Team Tour 23” Dates:
Aug. 3 – Dallas, TX – American Airlines Center
Aug. 4 – Houston, TX – Toyota Center
Aug. 5 – Austin, TX – Moody Center
Aug. 17 – Oklahoma City, OK – Paycom Center
Aug. 18 – Wichita, KS – INTRUST Bank Arena
Aug. 19 – Denver, CO – Ball Arena
Sept. 14 – Estero, FL – Hertz Arena
Sept. 15 – Jacksonville, FL – VyStar Veterans Memorial Arena
Sept. 16 – Orlando, FL – Amway Center
Sept. 21 – Charlottesville, VA – John Paul Jones Arena
Sept. 22 – State College, PA – Bryce Jordan Center
Sept. 23 – Toledo, OH – Huntington Center
Sept. 28 – Birmingham, AL – The Legacy Arena at The BJCC
Sept. 29 – Nashville, TN – Bridgestone Arena
Sept. 30 – Nashville, TN – Bridgestone Arena

Tamara Saviano Named Manager Of Guy Clark, LLC

Guy Clark, Tamara Saviano. Photo: Shae Acopian Detar

Industry media exec Tamara Saviano has been named manager of Guy Clark, LLC.

In her new position, Saviano will help manage the company devoted to Clark’s legacy and guide future projects for the LLC, including a brand new merchandise line, new music from demos, a new book on the songwriting legend and a possible future Guy Clark Music Festival as well. Saviano will also serve on the Board of Directors of the LLC, along with Clark’s grandson Dylan, Verlon Thompson, Rodney Crowell and Scott Robinson.

Saviano spent countless hours over a period of five years collaborating with Clark and was a director and producer on the award-winning documentary on his life, Without Getting Killed or Caught, which received the Louis Black Lone Star award at the 2021 SXSW Film Festival.

She was also honored with the Belmont Book Award for her work on Without Getting Killed Or Caught: The Life and Music of Guy Clark, and was awarded the Darrell K Royal Texas Music Legend Award from the Texas Heritage Songwriters Association. She has worked for decades in Nashville in artist management, project management and consulting, and is also a former music journalist (Country Music Magazine) and television producer (Great American Country).

Saviano can be reached at [email protected].

Mountain Stage To Host Two Live Shows During AmericanaFest 2023

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NPR Music and West Virginia Public Broadcasting’s live performance radio show Mountain Stage will host two back-to-back live shows in Franklin, Tennessee during AmericanaFest 2023 as part of its 40th Anniversary Celebration.

Hosted by Kathy Mattea, the shows at The Franklin Theatre on Sept. 23-24 will feature performances by Steve Earle, Sam Bush, Elizabeth Cook, Sarah Lee Guthrie, Chris Pierce, Todd Snider, The Band of Heathens, Tracy Nelson and Adeem The Artist.

“I am so happy that Mountain Stage will be taping shows during Americana Week in Nashville,” says Mattea. “Many of our old friends and favorites will be making appearances, including Sam Bush, Steve Earle and Todd Snider. We also have young newcomers like Adeem the Artist, who are part of the cultural conversation these days. It’s a chance to celebrate the musicians that Mountain Stage has championed for 40 years, and to bring our brand of Live Performance music to Music City!”

Mountain Stage kicked off its 40th Anniversary Celebration earlier this year and will continue with more festivities to come. The show has become the second-longest running nationally distributed performance radio show, behind the Grand Ole Opry.

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Blake Nixon Named Director Of Southeast Promotion At Triple Tigers Records

Blake Nixon

Blake Nixon has joined Triple Tigers Records as Director of Southeast Promotion.

A Belmont University graduate, Nixon was formerly Director of Streaming at Show Dog Nashville prior to joining Triple Tigers, with previous stints at In2une Music and Warner Music Group as well. He will based in Nashville and can be reached at [email protected].

“We are very fortunate to be able to add Blake to our ambush of tigers,” says Kevin Herring, Senior Vice President, Promotion, Triple Tigers Records. “He brings wealth of experience, energy and spirit to our staff.”

Chris Tomlin Celebrates 21st Christian Radio No. 1

Chris Tomlin. Photo: Robby Klein

Chris Tomlin is celebrating his 21st No. 1 at Christian radio with Grammy-nominated song “Holy Forever.”

The song was co-written with Jenn Johnson and Brian Johnson of Bethel Music, Phil Wickham and Jason Ingram. It tops both Billboard‘s Christian Airplay and AC charts as well as both MediaBase’s Christian AC and Christian Audience charts this week.

“I really don’t know what to say right now… I remember over 20 years ago being told that radio wouldn’t play worship music. So, to fast forward to today and not only have another number one radio song but to have the ongoing opportunity to help give people a voice to worship God through radio, through streaming, through live events, and through songs being led in the church… is something I will never take for granted,” Tomlin shares. “I could never have imagined the doors and opportunities God would open up and I am so excited, and expectant for what’s to come next. Thank you radio for all you have done and all you continue to do…”

Tomlin recently launched ticket sales for his 12-city “An Evening of Worship” scheduled for this fall, with concerts already sold out in San Diego and Sacramento.

Randy Travis Tribute To Take Place In October

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Outback Presents will bring “A Heroes & Friends Tribute to Randy Travis – One Night, One Place, One Time” to Von Braun Center’s Propst Arena in Huntsville, Alabama at 7 p.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 24.

The night will feature Travis’ musical heroes and friends performing many of his No. 1 hits live for a one-of-a-kind event. The official lineup will be announced soon.

A portion of the proceeds from the evening will be donated to the Randy Travis Foundation, which focuses on stroke and aphasia awareness and supporting music education in schools.

“It is such a pleasure to have even a small part in an event that celebrates the accomplished life and career of Randy Travis,” says David Lower, Outback Presents Booking Manager. “The fans in Huntsville have such a love of country music and have been so supportive of the artists we have brought to town, this is sure to be another sold-out concert!”

“We are thrilled to be able to come to Huntsville, Alabama for our ‘A Heroes & Friends Tribute to Randy Travis.’ This will be an unforgettable night with many of Randy’s superstar friends singing his biggest hits,” shares Tony Conway, Travis’ Manager. “One night, One place, One Time. Be sure to attend this very special concert with Randy Travis.”

Past tribute concerts at VBC Propst Arena have included artists such as Trace Adkins, Dierks Bentley, Lee Brice, Big & Rich, Gavin DeGraw, Sara Evans, Riley Green, Home Free, Jamey Johnson, Wynonna Judd, Tracy Lawrence, Dustin Lynch, Justin Moore, Sam Moore, Lorrie Morgan, The Oak Ridge Boys, Brad Paisley, Jelly Roll, Michael W. Smith, Travis Tritt, Tanya Tucker, Gretchen Wilson and more.

“We are excited to host this fantastic tribute concert in the VBC Propst Arena,” says Steve Maples, Von Braun Center Executive Director. “Other tribute shows received great support from the Huntsville community. We anticipate a lot of excitement for this tribute to Randy Travis and look forward to what is sure to be another historic musical event!”

Tickets will go on sale this Friday (Aug. 4) at 10 a.m. CT at the Von Braun Center Box Office and on ticketmaster.com and randytravis.com.

NMAAM Announces Leadership Changes

The National Museum of African American Music (NMAAM) has announced a transition in its leadership as H. Beecher Hicks steps down from his role as President and Chief Executive Officer. Hicks, a visionary behind the museum, has played a pivotal role in its establishment and success. The museum is planning a community appreciation celebration for Hicks later this year and will announce details soon.

“Henry Hicks is an invaluable visionary and leader whose immense contributions have shaped the National Museum of African American Music into the world-class institution it is today,” says NMAAM Board Chair Stacey Garrett Koju. “Under his guidance, NMAAM has become a beacon of inspiration, education, and cultural preservation. We are deeply grateful for Henry’s unwavering dedication and commitment to highlighting the rich history and profound impact of African American music. His passion and vision have set a solid foundation for the museum’s continued success. We extend our sincere appreciation to Henry and wish him the very best in his future endeavors.”

“This has been an incredible ride,” says Hicks. “I took on this role as a two-year commitment, and a decade later, it is unbelievable how far we’ve come. NMAAM showcases African American music, culture and history in a way that is not only important to Nashville but resonates around the world. It is humbling to have played a part in bringing this special project to fruition and setting it on a path for sustained success. It’s time for the next challenge, and I’m looking forward to new opportunities on the horizon.”

NMAAM announced that its Chief Operating Officer, Dion Brown, will step in as Executive Director to provide leadership and guidance. As COO, Brown led the day-to-day operations of the museum and worked closely with Hicks.

“We are excited for Dion to step into this new role. He has over 30 years of experience in museum leadership and we are grateful for his continued leadership and guidance,” says Koju.

Before joining NMAAM, Brown previously served as the president and COO of the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center, the founding Executive Director of the National Blues Museum, Executive Director of the B.B. King Museum and Delta Interpretive Center and a past board member of the Association of African American Museums.

“I have known Henry since 2012 and watched his extraordinary work to build NMAAM from a dream to a globally renowned museum. Henry has laid an exceptional path for all of us at the museum for the future. I am grateful for all he has done to build a home for Black music,” shares Brown. “I’m honored to step into this new role and continue the museum’s mission to educate the world, preserve the legacy, and celebrate the central role African Americans play in creating the American soundtrack.”

Kelsea Ballerini Shares News At Fan-Forward Event At Grammy Museum

At her first of three intimate fan gatherings Kelsea Ballerini is holding to discuss and screen her lauded Rolling Up The Welcome Mat EP and short film, the star revealed that she will release a new project, Rolling Up The Welcome Mat (For Good), on Aug. 11.

With the first event held at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles, Ballerini will head to the Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum in her adopted hometown of Nashville on Aug. 8 followed by a final screening and conversation at the intimate Whitby Theater in New York City on Aug. 10.

Kelsea Ballerini pictured with noted director Julie Anne Robinson at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles

The evening was built around a conversation with noted director Julie Anne Robinson, a British-born, UK- and American-based filmmaker who was on-hand to do a deep dive into the writing, process and reckoning that drove Rolling Up The Welcome Mat (A Short Film).

Looking at where she was last year and where she’s heading, Ballerini knew the only way to close the door on Welcome Mat was to write the final chapter and resolve the reality of a marriage dissolving with the solidity of moving on. The East Tennessee creator expanded Welcome Mat, updating a few songs, adding a new one and announcing it all at the gathering.

Though Rolling Up The Welcome Mat was originally written and recorded with long-time collaborator Alysa Vanderheym, Ballerini didn’t want to leave the story in a place where so much was at stake and so little resolved. During the intimate fan event, the Black River artist treated the audience to the new “full” version of “Interlude” and performed “Penthouse (Healed Version)” for the full house.

“Having shared everything with my fans, I knew I wanted to tell them first—and I wanted to tell them,” says the painfully honest writer. “I wanted to be in an intimate space, with them, walking through everything that happened, explaining some of the artistic decisions and letting them know how much their reaction to this music has meant to me.”

To mark the occasion, Ballerini created special, limited-edition t-shirts that are available in each market that reveal a new lyric from “Interlude.”

My Music Row Story: CAA’s Jeff Krones

Jeff Krones

The “My Music Row Story” weekly column features notable members of the Nashville music industry selected by the MusicRow editorial team. These individuals serve in key roles that help advance and promote the success of our industry. This column spotlights the invaluable people that keep the wheels rolling and the music playing.

Jeff Krones is Co-Head of CAA’s Nashville Music Office. He represents many of the world’s leading artists, including Twenty One Pilots, NF, Dan + Shay, Needtobreathe, Brett Young, Ben Rector, Hailey Whitters, Catfish And The Bottlemen, Judah & The Lion, Ben Burgess, MacKenzie Porter, Devin Dawson, The Band Camino, Luke Grimes and Warren Zeiders, among others.

He began his career at CAA in 2004.  In 2016, he was named one of Billboard’s “40 Under 40.” In 2017, he was elected to the Board of the Academy of Country Music (ACM). Krones was featured on Pollstar’s Impact 50 list in 2019 and Billboard’s Country Power Players list in 2020, 2021 and 2022. Krones graduated from Furman University with a degree in Communication Studies.

MusicRow: Where did you grow up?

I was born and raised in England, just outside of London. My mom—who passed away about six years ago—was English. My dad was American and he was in the music business as well. He was working in management and met her one night. He ended up moving there and they got married and had us three kids. We moved [to Nashville] full time when I was 13. I had an English accent and everything.

Backstage at Dan + Shay’s “The (Arena) Tour” stop at Nashville’s Bridgestone Arena

How did you start your path into the music business?

About three years into college, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a sports agent, but at the time, you had to go to law school. I did not like reading books enough to go to law school. [Laughs]

Obviously I’d grown up around some of the music business, but a different part of it. In talking to my dad and some other people I knew, I started to think I should work at a label. The feedback I was getting was that the labels may not be the best fit, but that I might be a really good agent. My senior year, I got a couple phone numbers and one of those was Darin Murphy.

Darin invited me to come hang out in the office [to see what an agency is like]. I did that my senior year and just watched him for two hours. What was really cool was seeing someone who was so firmly in the country music business, but who also had a Gwen Stefani poster on the wall from when he was No Doubt‘s agent. There were all these things that didn’t feel [like he was working in just] one bucket. I loved the energy of that. I got an unpaid internship to start the day after I graduated from college in 2004. That’s how I got to CAA.

Where did you go to college?

Furman University in Greenville, South Carolina. My first client was one that I actually met while I was in school: Bear Rinehart, the lead singer of Needtobreathe.

I lived with the kicker on the Furman football team, and Bear was the star receiver on the team. His girlfriend—now his wife—and I were friends. She asked if I would go to lunch to talk about Bear’s music career. She and I put together a press kit with an album, a photo and bio, and we sent it to my dad. He ended up signing on to be their manager. We set up a showcase for them at the Handlebar in Greenville and they got signed to Atlantic Records. When I was starting my internship at CAA, Scott Clayton, who at the time was one of the heads of the office, agreed to let me be their agent if I would do all the work once I became an intern.

They’ve been a client of mine since then. I got them three shows with Edwin McCain in South Carolina for $250 a night and we just put their first arena tour on sale a few weeks ago.

Pictured (L-R): Dan Smyers, Jeff Krones, Jimmy Butler, Shay Mooney

That’s a great story. When you started at CAA, was it what you thought a big agency would be like?

What we tell people when they come into the agency is that it’s a great place to learn about the entire business. You interface with labels, promoters, venues and managers. [Being an agent] is not for everyone, but you can see if there’s a place that maybe fits you better. I think the moment I was in the building, I realized this is probably something I’d be pretty good at and would really enjoy.

The part that I was always trying to figure out is where my place was within the agency business in terms of genre. My first desk was a Christian desk.

When I got the call about coming onto the Christian desk, I called Darin and asked him what he thought about it. He’s said, “Dude, just get on a desk and you’ll figure it out from there.” What was interesting is that there was a faith component to what Needtobreahe did, so it kind of made sense. I had met John Huie and he took a big interest in my career. So [working on a Christian desk] was a way to get around him and show him that I could be good.

What’s funny is 20 years later, [Christian music] continues to be a pretty big theme throughout a lot of my clients and what we’ve built here. Whether it’s on the country side or with big rock bands, they all have a little bit of a through-line that dates back to that first desk I was on.

Tell me about those first few years.

In addition to Needtobreathe, I started working with a couple other acts while on the Christian desk. One of those was Family Force 5. They were an alternative Christian band who would play on Warped Tour. I met a guy named Chris Woltman, who was their manager at the time. Five or six years later, Chris ended up finding and managing a band called Twenty One Pilots. Andrew Simon and I signed them at CAA and they became my first arena band. That was all because I did a decent job when I was an assistant on a Christian desk. Chris and I now actually work on an act named NF, a Nashville-based rapper who just sold out their first arena tour.

Eventually I was recruited into starting a festival division for our contemporary department by Rob Light and Scott Clayton. That was really good experience for me to interface with LA, New York and London. That’s where I got to have a really good relationship with Rick Roskin, Brian Manning, Carol Kinzel and Jen Adler. It was great to see how people worked internally and externally, but also how I could make Nashville feel bigger so I could feel connected to the other offices. This was before Zooms or any of that kind of stuff, so you’d only have a few opportunities to speak to these people if you didn’t actually have active business with them, so that was really fun.

Krones, NF and team

What was next for you?

Taylor Swift called us to ask Needtobreathe to support her entire tour, because they were her favorite band. At the time, they could sell maybe 2,000 tickets and they weren’t really well known, so for her to take an interest in them was big. She was very firmly in the country space at the time, so I think it was the first time I’d really thought about the blending of genres on tours—that those lines had gone away a little bit and that the way kids were listening to music was starting to change.

We did 86 shows with Taylor Swift that year. That opened my eyes to the fact that there was a lot more I could do based here in Nashville. That’s why I raised my hand when we got a call about a new duo in the country space that were pop leaning, Dan + Shay. It just made sense to me to try to be involved, because I didn’t see it as a segmented genre and I think a lot of people still did 10 years ago. They loved the fact that I worked with bands like Twenty One Pilots and was thinking outside of just being booked the way everyone else is. They were the first bigger country act I started working with.

Boy, did they take off.

They sure have. Even though they’re very mainstream accessible, they’re just phenomenal writers. They led me to find a lot of other great writers in town. That’s why the Needtobreathe guys moved here. Bear now lives in Nashville writing with all these people. He’s writing with the same people that another one of my clients, Brett Young, is writing with. They’re all around each other all the time. There’s a pop band we worked with called The Band Camino, who are just phenomenal writers. Jameson Roper, who’s their manager, alongside Dan Smyers and Devin Dawson were the ones [who said we should sign them] because they’re just great writers. That’s the approach [I try to employ] to both the A&R process and also artist development, that you can apply a lot of the same things to different acts. As long as they’re fantastic live and they’re writing great songs, it works.

Krones, Brett Young and team

You were named Co-Head of CAA’s Nashville office in 2021. Tell me about that.

I remember trying to become an agent and I would just be banging on John Huie and Rob Light’s doors asking when I could get promoted. Back then, it was really hard to do. There was a whole process. I know a lot of people want to get into leadership, but I learned a lot from Rick Roskin, who is Co-Head of our contemporary group across all North America. He wasn’t in any official role. Rob Light was always running it, but Rick was always doing things. I realized, “No one has asked him to do that. He’s just getting the job done.” That was something I found myself doing a lot before and during COVID—not only just thinking about stuff for my clients and trying to see how I could be helpful.

At CAA, they want to see that you naturally care about other people or what the greater good is. We rely on the team here a lot. My thing is if we’ve got better people doing better things, we’re all going to look better. I think that’s how I got identified and honestly, it’s a lot more in terms of meetings, but it’s not like I’m doing that many different things because I was taking on a lot of stuff naturally. It’s been really fun.

What’s your favorite part of your job?

I like that CAA is betting on people not waiting until everything’s behind you before you can really make changes. It’s been really fun coming out of the pandemic and having some ability to be pretty nimble and make changes, whether that’s changing processes, whether that’s changing people or whether that’s just getting better.

The booking side of it is so fun. The NF tour I was talking about started a few weeks ago in Columbus. I remember sitting with him in our conference room four years ago and he hadn’t really even sold out clubs yet. We have a view of The Ryman and Bridgestone Arena from our office. I told him, “I don’t want to sign people that want to sell out The Ryman. I want to sign people who want to sell out the Arena. We’re going to do that.” He was like, “There’s no way.” [Last] Wednesday, we had at 13,000 tickets sold there. That’s just so fun.

Krones, Warren Zeiders and team

Who would you name as mentors?

Rick Roskin has been a really great one for me. He was somebody I found a little later in life. He helps me see a clear picture of what things could be and have a calmer head on things. In a different way, John Huie has been one. He just loves this so much. Whenever I get down, I think about him and how he is still enthusiastic after this long. That’s inspiring to see. In our Nashville office, Marc Dennis, Brian Manning and Darin Murphy [have been great mentors].

I respect anyone who’s been able to have a family and have that work-life balance, because it’s tough. When I was a younger agent, I got married early and we actually got a divorce after we had a kid. I was at a certain point where this job was everything. I was out every night, I was flying to festivals and doing all this stuff. I just had no control over my work-life balance. We were apart for four years but we got back together and we got re-married during the pandemic. We just had our second kid. Having perspective and balance is something I learned a lot from people like Brian Manning, Rick Roskin and Marc Dennis. You can have kids, go on vacation and be there for them, but also do this crazy job.

I love that. What’s a moment that you’ve had lately that you’re proud of?

We were at the lake over the July 4th weekend and someone was asking my daughter who her favorite artists were. 11-year-olds are very opinionated, but she didn’t know I was listening. She listed three acts that she’s gotten to meet that are her favorite. Two of the three were people I personally work with, Dan + Shay and Kelsea Ballerini. I think that’s cool because I remember growing up in my dad’s household and because of the way music was listened to back then, you didn’t really have access to listen to what you wanted to listen to as a kid. Now, she’s got an iPad and she can listen to whatever she wants, so for her to choose acts that I work with is pretty neat.

One of the things I’m the most proud of is working with pretty much every artist—except maybe one or two—from the beginning of their career. The artist development piece of this job is so exciting. Whether that’s Warren Zeiders, who we signed over the pandemic and is about to take his next big step, or Luke Grimes, who’s just beginning his musical journey after being an actor. It’s really fun to watch each step for each of these acts.

I still remember back when I was at a show with Darin Murphy at The Exit/In. I asked him, “What are we looking for?” He said, “You want to find a star on stage. It’s about who has ‘it.'” I’ve always remembered that moment with Darin at The Exit/In thinking, “I’ve got to go find someone who’s a star on stage.” That was the seed of all of the acts I’m lucky enough to work with and hopefully the next ones I work with.