Exclusive: Frank Rogers Charts His Course With Fluid Music Revolution

Pictured (L-R): Sherod Robertson, Owner/Publisher, MusicRow; Frank Rogers

Pictured (L-R): Sherod Robertson, Owner/Publisher, MusicRow; Frank Rogers

Frank Rogers is forging ahead with Fluid Music Revolution, a new venture with Spirit Music Group that was announced in January. During a visit to MusicRow, he emphasized that he loved every minute of being at Sea Gayle Music – a very successful publishing company he co-founded in 1999 – but decided that it was time for a fresh challenge.

After collecting his first MusicRow No. 1 Challenge Coin for co-writing Granger Smith’s “Backroad Song,” Rogers chatted about building his company, signing new (and established) writers and striking the balance between music and business.

MusicRow: What have the last six months been like for you?

Rogers: It’s been fun getting a company off the ground. There’s a lot of stuff that needs to happen, so there’s been a lot of business and legal and that side of things. But it’s also been fun to go out and see so many new artists, writers and talent that’s out there right now.

What was your frame of mind before you made the leap?

I was at Sea Gayle for many, many years, and Sea Gayle was an absolutely wonderful thing. It was great but it just came time for a new adventure and it felt like the right timing to do it. So I resigned from Sea Gayle and then talked to everybody out there and saw what the opportunities were. I was trying to decide if I was going to do it for myself or partner with someone, or what was the right decision. When I met The Spirit Group, it felt like the right venture partner for me. So, we started.

What made that Spirit partnership special?

They had the infrastructure I was looking for, to do what I wanted to do. But it came down to the people. They seemed genuinely excited. From New York to L.A. to London to Nashville, they’re just good human beings and it felt like the right spot. It’s interesting when you do those things, you either know or you don’t.

Would you say that instinct has served you well in your career?

Absolutely. When it comes to songs or artists or writers, you have to analyze the business side of any decision, but it all comes down to the gut reaction. Does this move me? Does this artist move me? Is this a person someone I want to spend a lot of time with? So I think you really have rely on both the business side of your brain and your gut instinct. Everything I’ve done in this town started with those two things. I’ve been lucky and blessed that it’s led me well so far.

Ryan Creamer is part of your publishing roster. What does he bring to the table?

Ryan Creamer

Ryan Creamer

Ryan is the first person that I signed over there. He comes from a unique place, melodically. He’s energetic and excited about writing songs. I always look for uniqueness, and the first batch of songs I heard from him were uniquely him. That’s what drew me to his writing. He’s really, really melodically unique. He is a good singer but the artist thing is not what he loves. He’s a writer and producer, and I want to help him develop the producing side as well. He’s a talented young man.

Are you the kind of guy who likes to discover writers before they break?

I think there’s some validity to having some experience, but yes, I love finding them. The most fun is being with an artist or a writer who has their first No. 1, or their first hit. I love that building and developing side of publishing and producing and the music business. I’m looking for people that I love as human beings, I love their talent, and that I think we’re good business partners together. If it hits all three, those are the things I’m interested in working in. There will be a fair number of writers [on the Fluid roster] who have not had success yet, and there will be a few that have a track record.

Now that you’ve started Fluid, will you still be producing and writing songs too?

Absolutely. I write for Fluid. I guess I was officially the first writer, and Ryan’s the second! I still write and I still produce when things makes sense, but my focus right now is really building this company. Where it makes sense for me to produce to help Fluid, I will. Obviously I’m still writing as well.

But I would imagine that songwriters can burn out just as easily as anyone else.

Absolutely. To me, the publishing side and the business side help balance me. I think if I was a full-time writer, I don’t know how effective I’d be because I’ve got to have the other side of my brain firing as well. I think I’m at my best when I have a good balance between the two.

“Think Of You” Takes Center Stage At No. 1 Party At CMHoF

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP songwriter Corey Crowder, BMLG Records artist/ASCAP songwriter Cassadee Pope, RCA Records Nashville artist/BMI songwriter Chris Young, and SESAC songwriter Josh Hoge. Photo: Alan Poizner

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP songwriter Corey Crowder, BMLG Records artist/ASCAP songwriter Cassadee Pope, RCA Records Nashville artist/BMI songwriter Chris Young, and SESAC songwriter Josh Hoge. Photo: Alan Poizner

Duet partners and pals Chris Young and Cassadee Pope saluted “Think of You” with songwriters Corey Crowder and Josh Hoge during a No. 1 party at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum’s rotunda on Tuesday night (Aug. 16). They were surrounded by dozens of well-wishers, family members and longtime supporters.

The gathering showed the power of teamwork. Beyond the two singers, there were three songwriters (Crowder, Hoge and Young), two record labels (RCA Nashville and Republic Nashville), three PROs (ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC) and three publishing companies (Liz Rose Music, Sony/ATV, and Warner/Chappell Music). With so much muscle behind the song, it’s not surprising to discover the single topped the chart in just 15 weeks.

Pictured (L-R): BMI’s Bradley Collins; ASCAP’s Mike Sistad; Warner Chappell’s Travis Carter; Liz Rose Music’s Scott Ponce; songwriter Corey Crowder; SESAC’s Shannan Hatch; songwriter Josh Hoge; Sony ATV’s Hannah Williams; BMI singer-songwriter Chris Young; singer Cassadee Pope; BMLG’s Scott Borchetta; Sony’s Randy Goodman; Fitzgerald Hartley Management’s Larry Fitzgerald. Photo: Alan Poizner

Pictured (L-R): BMI’s Bradley Collins; ASCAP’s Mike Sistad; Warner/Chappell’s Travis Carter; Liz Rose Music’s Scott Ponce; songwriter Corey Crowder; SESAC’s Shannan Hatch; songwriter Josh Hoge; Sony ATV’s Hannah Williams; BMI singer-songwriter Chris Young; singer Cassadee Pope; BMLG’s Scott Borchetta; Sony’s Randy Goodman; Fitzgerald Hartley Management’s Larry Fitzgerald. Photo: Alan Poizner

“One of my favorite things about this song is having Cassadee Pope,” Young told the crowd at the beginning of his speech. “This song would not be the same thing without that voice. She is absolutely one of the most stunningly talented vocalists that I’ve ever gotten to be around, much less get to work with and tour with.”

Young, who is signed to Sony/ATV as a songwriter, insisted that duets are particularly hard to write and record. “There’s that one more extra piece that has to be correct to make the song what it’s supposed to be,” he said. “And I truly want to say thank you that we got this right. Whether you work with me, or work with Cassadee, or these two guys behind me who are two of my best friends, thank you guys so much for letting this song live and have its own space. It is incredibly, incredibly special.”

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP Senior Creative Director Mike Sistad; Warner/Chappell Music Publishing's Ben Vaughn and Travis Carter; ASCAP songwriter Corey Crowder; Josh Hoge, Chris Young, Cassadee Pope; Liz Rose Music's Scott Ponce

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP Senior Creative Director Mike Sistad; Warner/Chappell Music Publishing’s Ben Vaughn and Travis Carter; ASCAP songwriter Corey Crowder; Josh Hoge, Chris Young, Cassadee Pope; Liz Rose Music’s Scott Ponce

Crowder, who co-produced Young’s I’m Comin’ Over album with the singer, thanked the studio players, the studio engineer, the publishers, the label radio team, Tri Star Sports Entertainment, Dickinson Wright, ASCAP and his co-writers. Crowder is published by Liz Rose Music and Warner/Chappell Music.

He said the song idea was spurred by imagining how a breakup with his wife would affect their circle of friends. In contrast, Crowder was gracious to thank his wife, “for putting up with me and listening to all my songs, good and bad—mostly bad.” During the party, Crowder and Young accepted a plaque from RCA Nashville for a gold certification of I’m Comin’ Over.

Pictured (L-R): Jim Catino, VP A&R, Sony Music Nashville; Ken Robold, EVP & COO, Sony Music Nashville; Randy Goodman, Chairman & CEO, Sony Music Nashville; Chris Young; ;Corey Crowder; Steve Hodges, EVP Radio Promotion & Artist Development; Paul Barnabee, SVP Marketing. Photo: Alan Poizner

Pictured (L-R): Jim Catino, VP A&R, Sony Music Nashville; Ken Robold, EVP & COO, Sony Music Nashville; Randy Goodman, Chairman & CEO, Sony Music Nashville; Chris Young; Corey Crowder; Steve Hodges, EVP Radio Promotion & Artist Development; Paul Barnabee, SVP Marketing. Photo: Alan Poizner

After dryly announcing that he was going to be swimming in the 2020 Olympics, Hoge thanked SESAC, his publisher Sony/ATV, RCA Nashville and his lawyer, Kent Marcus. His mom and dad also got a shout-out.

He told the crowd, “You don’t often get to do this stuff with people that you’re actually best friends with, but we are best friends, and I’ve added a new friend, Cassadee, to this. When you can stand by these two [singers], for those of you who don’t know, there are no tricks that are done. That’s how good of singers they are. It makes our job so much more fun. Also, I’m going to finish up because we need to talk about Chris. He’s one of the top artists in the whole game in my opinion.”

Pictured (L-R): Josh Hoge; Shannon Hatch, VP Creative Services, SESAC. Photo: Alan Poizner

Pictured (L-R): Josh Hoge; Shannon Hatch, VP Creative Services, SESAC. Photo: Alan Poizner

BMI’s Bradley Collins presided over the event; ASCAP’s Mike Sistad and SESAC’s Shannan Hatch also took turns at the mic. Scott Ponce of Liz Rose Music, Travis Carter of Warner/Chappell Music and Hannah Williams of Sony/ATV spoke as well. Additionally, Holly Lane of Country Radio Broadcasters provided remarks about the success of the song, while Ron Cox of Avenue Bank announced a donation to the TJ Martell Foundation on behalf of the writers.

The party speeches began with Sony Music Nashville Chairman and CEO Randy Goodman reminding the crowd that Young is an incredible “male vocalist,” a term he emphasized four times. Not to be outdone, Keith Gale, Sr. VP of RCA promotion, slipped in the same reference five more times.

Pictured (L-R): Josh Hoge, Corey Crowder, Chris Young, Cassadee Pope, BMig Machine Label Group's Scott Borchetta and Jimmy Harnen

Pictured (L-R): Josh Hoge, Corey Crowder, Chris Young, Cassadee Pope, Big Machine Label Group President and CEO Scott Borchetta; BMLG Records President Jimmy Harnen. Photo: Alan Poizner

Big Machine Records President and CEO Scott Borchetta and BMLG Records (formerly Republic Nashville) President Jimmy Harnen kept their remarks brief but sincere. Borchetta said that partnering Young and Pope was an easy decision, while Harnen tipped his hat to the Sony radio promotion team for reaching the pole position.

Pope’s time at the podium came early in the event. During her remarks, she said, “I remember getting the demo in January 2015 and I thought already this was an incredible song, but more importantly I thought, ‘Holy crap, the girl gets time to sing! She gets a verse, and she’s not just singing harmonies! This is an actual duet!’”

Predicting that she would get a little bit emotional, she decided to write out her thank you speech to Chris Young. Reading it aloud, she said, “You have no idea what you’ve done for me, for my spirit, my career. You chose me to sing this song with you, when I may not have been the obvious choice at that time. You’ve completely given me that resurgence I wasn’t sure I would get again. Yes, it’s been an absolute dream to sing with you. You’re one of the best singers I have ever heard, hands down, but even more importantly you’ve become one of the best friends I could ever ask for.”

Meghan Trainor Receives No. 1 Plaque From ASCAP For “I Like The Sound Of That”

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP Senior Creative Director Mike Sistad and Epic Records recording artist/Big Yellow Dog songwriter Meghan Trainor

Pictured (L-R): ASCAP Senior Creative Director Mike Sistad and Epic Records recording artist/Big Yellow Dog songwriter Meghan Trainor

Meghan Trainor is enjoying mega pop success with hits like “Me Too,” yet she is also a co-writer on the country chart-topper “I Like The Sound Of That,” recorded by Rascal Flatts.

ASCAP Senior Creative Director Mike Sistad caught up with the Epic Records recording artist and Big Yellow Dog songwriter on her “Untouchable Tour” Nashville stop at Ascend Amphitheater on Aug. 6.

Trainor co-wrote the Rascal Flatts hit with Dan + Shay’s Shay Mooney and songwriter Jesse Frasure. The tune was celebrated at a No. 1 party held on July 13 at the Nashville Sounds’ First Tennessee Park, which Trainor could not attend due to her tour schedule.

“I Like The Sound Of That” marked the third No. 1 for Trainor, whose hits include her own singles “All About That Bass” and “Like I’m Gonna Lose You” from her debut major label release, Title.

Sea Gayle Music Adds Creative Manager Christina Wiltshire

Christina Wiltshire

Christina Wiltshire

Sea Gayle Music has hired Christina Wiltshire in the role of creative manager. The University of South Carolina graduate moved to Nashville in 2013. She started her career as creative coordinator for Patrick Joseph Music before working as a songplugger at Latigo Shore Music.

“We are thrilled to welcome Christina to the team,” said Sea Gayle Music’s Executive VP/GM Marc Driskill. “Her creative instincts and her genuine passion for songwriters and love of songs are impressive and energizing. She is going to be an outstanding addition to Sea Gayle.”

Wiltshire commented, “I am grateful to be joining such a reputable and successful company as Sea Gayle. They have always stood out to me as an independent powerhouse and I couldn’t be more excited to learn from such a respected creative team and impressive roster of songwriters.”

Wiltshire also serves as a board member for the Young Entertainment Professionals (YEP) as well as the Music Row Ladies Golf Tournament.

Zach Crowell Collects 6 MusicRow No. 1 Challenge Coins

Pictured (L-R): Chris Van Belkom (a.k.a The Falcon), Vice President, Combustion Music; Zach Crowell; Kenley Flynn, Creative Director, Combustion Music.

Pictured (L-R): Chris Van Belkom (a.k.a The Falcon), Vice President, Combustion Music; Zach Crowell; Kenley Flynn, Creative Director, Combustion Music.

Songwriter Zach Crowell visited the MusicRow office to accept six MusicRow No. 1 Challenge Coins on Friday (Aug. 12), for hits ranging from “See You Tonight” to “Church Bells.” Crowell is signed to a joint venture between Combustion Music, Tape Room Music and Warner/Chappell Music.

Since 2014, the coins have been presented to every artist and songwriter that achieves a No. 1 single on MusicRow CountryBreakout Chart.

The six coins represent the following songs: “See You Tonight,” recorded by Scotty McCreery; “Cop Car,” recorded by Keith Urban, “House Party” and “Break Up in a Small Town,” recorded by Sam Hunt; and “Heartbeat” and “Church Bells,” recorded by Carrie Underwood.

Derek George, Lee Thomas Miller Receive MusicRow No. 1 Challenge Coins

Pictured (L-R): Sherod Robertson, Owner/Publisher, Music Row; Derek George ; Lee Thomas Miller; Alicia Pruitt, Senior Director/A&R, Warner/Chappell Music

Pictured (L-R): Sherod Robertson, Owner/Publisher, Music Row; Derek George ; Lee Thomas Miller; Alicia Pruitt, Senior Director/A&R, Warner/Chappell Music

Songwriters Derek George and Lee Thomas Miller accepted their first MusicRow No. 1 Challenge Coins at Warner/Chappell Publishing on Friday morning (Aug. 12).

Since January 2014, every artist and songwriter who achieves a No. 1 song on the MusicRow CountryBreakout Chart receives the coin. Nearly 500 coins have been earned since that time.

Derek George. Photo: Molly Hannula

Derek George. Photo: Molly Hannula

George earned one of the very first coins (No. 35) with “Drink To That All Night,” which topped the MusicRow chart in March 2014. The song was recorded by Jerrod Niemann and written with Lance Miller and Brad and Brett Warren.

Lee Thomas Miller. Photo: Molly Hannula

Lee Thomas Miller. Photo: Molly Hannula

Lee Thomas Miller landed his first coin following “Perfect Storm,” recorded by his co-writer Brad Paisley. The song rose to No. 1 in November 2014. His second coin arrived with “Crushin’ It,” another Paisley hit. Written by Miller, Paisley and Kelley Lovelace, that song topped the MusicRow chart in May 2015. Miller is also the Board President of Nashville Songwriters Association International (NSAI).

BMG’s Zach Katz Named To NMPA Board Of Directors

Zach Katz

Zach Katz

The National Music Publishers’ Association has named Zach Katz, President of U.S. Repertoire and Marketing for BMG, as part of the NMPA Board of Directors.

While currently based in Los Angeles, Katz is also responsible for BMG teams in Nashville, New York and Los Angeles, as well as Rise Records in Portland, Oregon. Katz is in charge of a roster which includes star writers such as Bruno Mars, will.i.am, DJ Snake, John Legend, Pitbull, Frank Ocean and Quincy Jones and more.

Prior to BMG, Katz co-founded record label Beluga Heights with his client/partner JR Rotem, where they represented artists including Jason Derulo and Sean Kingston. Previously he served as GM of Groove Attack USA. He began his career in 1996 as a music attorney.

NMPA Board Chairman Irwin Robinson said, “Zach’s eye for talent is matched by his keen understanding of our business. He has always strived for songwriters to be given the respect and royalties they deserve, and the NMPA Board will benefit greatly by his expertise across the industry.”

NMPA President & CEO David Israelite added, “Zach’s career has been defined by finding innovative songwriters and fighting for their rights and their futures. He has extensive knowledge of the obstacles songwriters are up against when it comes to being treated fairly by digital companies, and I am excited that he will join in our efforts directly by joining our Board.”

Katz said, “I’m honored to join the respected music industry professionals as a member of the NMPA’s Board, an organization that champions the rights of creative people with such unwavering commitment. The NMPA and BMG share a similar mission — to create a fair and transparent environment where the interests of publishers and songwriters are protected. I’m looking forward to the work we’ll do together for the advancement and benefit of music industry professionals.”

Big Machine Music, 19 Publishing Form Joint Venture

Nick Fradiani, Trent Harmon

Pictured (L-R): Nick Fradiani, Trent Harmon

Big Machine Music and 19 Publishing have entered into a joint music publishing venture. The agreement will allow Big Machine Music to co-publish and administer all rights for Big Machine Records/19 Recordings artists Nick Fradiani and Trent Harmon, and administer the associated rights for 19’s share.

“It’s so exciting to be a partner with 19 on these incredibly talented artists/songwriters,” said Mike Molinar, Big Machine Music VP/General Manager. “American Idol just scratched the surface of showing off both artists’ unlimited potential and we can’t wait for everyone to hear what is coming next!”

Fradiani’s debut album Hurricane released Friday (Aug. 5). Fradiani co-wrote 11 of the 12 tracks, including the pop & Hot AC hit “Get You Home,” his debut single “Beautiful Life,” and fan-favorite “All on You.”

Harmon recently premiered his debut single, “There’s A Girl” on FOX & Friends’ Summer Concert series. Shortly after his American Idol win, he co-wrote the song with Jimmy Robbins and Big Machine Music’s Laura Veltz.

SNG Music Adds Zarni de Vette To Publishing Roster

Pictured (L-R): SNG Partner Steve Leslie, Zarni de Vette, SNG Dir. Admin. & Promotion, Kathleen Mullet, SNG Partner Gary Reamey. Photo: Amber Beckham Photography

Pictured (L-R): SNG Partner Steve Leslie, Zarni de Vette, SNG Dir. Admin. & Promotion, Kathleen Mullet, SNG Partner Gary Reamey. Photo: Amber Beckham Photography

SNG Music, LLP, has added Zarni de Vette to its publishing roster.

Born and raised in South Africa, de Vette was awarded the prestigious Scott Benson Scholarship for outstanding achievement in songwriting at the Berklee College of Music. After graduating in 2011, she had cuts by The Gibbonses and Mia Verdoorn, as well as having songs placed on SpikeTV, The Food Network, a Red Bull commercial and with many indie campaigns abroad.

“We’ve had our eye on Zarni for some time and can now say how proud we are to have her onboard,” says SNG Music Partner Steve Leslie. “With her excellent musicianship, dedication to the craft of songwriting, production skills and business acumen, we expect great things from her in the very near future.”

In addition to Zarni, SNG’s staff of stellar writers includes Leslie, SNG Music partner Gary Reamey, recent signee Marty Dodson, John Lennon Songwriting Contest winner Marianne Allison, Texas teen Abbey Cone and SNG Songwriter Emeritus Bobby Fischer.

 

Brent Cobb Continues Publishing Deal With Carnival Music

Brent Cobb. Photo: Don Van Cleve

Brent Cobb. Photo: Don Van Cleve

Singer-songwriter Brent Cobb has renewed his deal with Carnival Music. Cobb signed the first publishing deal of his career with Carnival in 2009.

Cobb has written songs for a growing cadre of Nashville heavy hitters, including Little Big Town’s “Stay All Night” and “Pavement Ends”; “Tailgate Blues” by Luke Bryan; Kenny Chesney’s “Don’t It”; Miranda Lambert’s “Old Shit”; “Grandpa’s Farm,” recorded by both Frankie Ballard and David Nail; “Go Outside and Dance” by Eli Young Band; and Kellie Pickler’s “Rockway.” Lee Ann Womack, the Oak Ridge Boys, Charlie Worsham, and others have all cut his songs as well.

Produced by his cousin Dave Cobb (Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, Jamey Johnson, Chris Stapleton), Cobb’s album Shine On Rainy Day (Low Country Sound/Elektra Records) drops Oct. 7.

“Historically, it is the song and the songwriter that pump the blood through country music. Brent is a songwriter who stuck to his principles and followed no trends. He has written songs with lyrics, melody, and purpose, and that earned him a following that’s growing,” Carnival Music’s Frank Liddell says. “The most exciting thing may be that he just keeps getting better. All of us at Carnival are honored and fired up to be part of the continuing journey that is Brent Cobb.”

“We’ve been together a pretty good while,” Cobb says. “Carnival is more than just my publisher. We’re family—every quirky last one of us. I’m very proud to be a part of it.”